What’s wrong with just increasing its ammo?
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I know, because I don’t want to face ARH SAMs with my Su-22 with only 12 countermeasures.
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I was just correcting your statement. Sorry I didnt quote it before.
Its just nowhere near capable as the SLM.
But I can agree its underwhelming when you compare it to the others especially in ammo count.
The most realistic buff it can receive is probably more ammo boxes and thats it. I believe lowering it in BR isnt a good idea.
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hey, dont get mad at me, i didnt confuse base IRIS-T with SLM variant. and beside that were still taking about german missile if you wanna go the extra mile.
yes, the base IRIS-T. one sweden literally took off gripen and slapped onto ground platform. it doesnt have any additional boosters to help it fight against the gravity (such as SLM), nor does it have the initial energy passed on from launching platform such as plane. its current range is pretty much in line with what i would expect from such setup.
the 40km range figure either comes from being air launched (and even then it would depend on conditions of the launch, such as is it head-on, what alt, what initial speed, is the target manuevering etc.) or it comes from entirely different variant (likely SLM).
eh, i dont see why its ammo box couldnt replenish full ammo two times instead of once. four missiles is rather low for platform at that BR without any other sort of weapon or capability.
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It should be 11.7 IMO, I think 11.3 is too low, but I agree its much weaker then the other 12.0 SPAAs.
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Elde 98 is one of the best 12.0 anti-airs in the game. Like putting Pantsir to 11.3.
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You’re ignorant of the balance and use horrible CAS aircraft like su22 to try to defend reasonable downtiers
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Not at all, out of all the new SPAA the elde 98 can be replaced by any top tier SPAA. I can get over the low range it has but it does not really improve in anything to the ItO 90M, besides the ability to fire and forget the missile and smoke. The range can be argued as the same compared to ItO, it cant kill any ground targets (unless you get lucky with arty), you get less missiles and when you run out you have to wait so your box can replenish them which is followed by 15 second “reload” until you can fire them again. So you essentially rely on your team doing good to reload on captured points.
Now imagine this, you still get outranged by any competent CAS player so you’re forced to either intercept the incoming munitions or hide. If anyone spawns any other SPAA theyre automatically more useful for your team. It’s only really effective if someone has the balls to come under 6km close to you (which is usually helis and someone with a deathwish). I cant see this little fella getting any better unless they want to bump its ammo box count up cuz it doesnt outperform anyone of the SPAA here really.
And you need a C category licence to drive with that trailer it drags around…
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同意，98完全不是12.0的水准，它在科技树上应该到90m前面
Can we just get decompression to 14.0 or maybe even 15.0 so all limbo vehicles can fit in? There’s no reason for the Elde 98 to be 11.3 when the Type 81 (C) is 11.7.
Either way, more ammo available to the Elde 98 would be nice too.
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Youre mistaking IRIS-T on SLS with IRIS-T SL on SLM. The SL is a continued improvement on Surface Launched IRIST, while the SLS is using the regular IRIST that has just been software updated to be fired from a ground vehicle instead of air platform, which is also why it has lower reach than the regular air launched one, as its a vertical launch.
increased the amount of maximum resupplies possible is not a bad choice
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It’s a simple change they could do to buff the vehicle without changing the stats too much.
Just lets us do more without running out of ammo instantly!
Considering Pantsir gets 24x missiles AND guns!
It can’t really intercept either. the Proximity fuse doesnt trigger on most air to ground missiles fired. Like the Rafale Hammer AGM.
Perhaps by default of there only being a couple of 12.0 anti air systems.
It’s certainly weaker than the other 12.0 systems.
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I mean its really funny how they think both the EldE98 and IRIS-T SLM are equal and should be the same BR of 12.0, not to mention the other systems but lets just take these two as an example.
The SLM has 2 vehicles with 8 missiles which can be reloaded once with the ammo crate which gives us a total of 32 missiles for 1 player. To add to that the missiles are faster and have more range with datalink. Also a little thing is that every single vehicle has the ability to call in artillery which is a total of 3 arty strikes from 1 player.
Now the EldE 98 is a missile trolley with 4 missiles that can be reloaded once with the ammo crate giving us a total of 8 (already drastically lower amount) and the IRIS-T found on it is smaller, slower and has less range. The missile only has IOG so it cannot get any datalink updates on the target location in case it changes course while its flying. So essentially if you fire a missile without a solid IR lock youre basically telling it to go where the aircraft was seen last praying to God the plane actually keeps flying the predicted path and it locks on. Big L right there. Might as well not have the LOAL at all especially how buggy the TWS on the radar can be if the enemy is dipping in and out of cover and how slowly it updates/tracks leading to failure to even lock on a close flying target sometimes and the missile just goes nowhere close. The only saving grace it has is the smoke if you can even grind your way toward it with how little people even spawn CAS now and when they do youll just get your kill stolen by a better system. The only thing youll have an easy time killing is helicopters and drones.
So I dont really see how this even remotely worthy of the same BR as the SLM when the performances of both systems are day and night.
Now this poor performance might be also due to the recent missile bugs but I doubt that any of my missiles that were shot at any fixed wing jet aircraft ever had the energy to hit them 90% of the times.
So yeah if youre considering on grinding the EldE i suggest you dont cuz right now an ItO 90 or flakbus is better than that.
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I don’t play the EldE 98 for performance
I play it for my Swedish pride and the ITO isn’t actually Swedish…
I WANT IT TO BE GOOD… It just has that problem with having the slowest missile, lowest ammo and lowest mobility- amongst sams in the BR. I don’t want it to go down in BR, I want it to work!
I want it to be a cheap missile slinger and if they gave me more ammo i would absolutely adore it.
If the IRIS-T SLM gets 32 missiles then the EldE 98 should too!
The TWS can get the tracking wrong about 2-3 times before it has a steady lock. It can’t intercept most missiles and just misses them entirely- I don’t even try to intercept missiles cause they’ll just miss.
I had made a post arguing that the EldE 98 should get 16++ missiles too but it kind of stalled out and honestly I wish some of the moderators should see this post and bring it to light. It’s a small change that could vastly make the vehicle more worth it!
No weapon changes, no mobility buff, no change in BR… Just. More. AMMO…
32 missiles sounds like a lot of fun though, kind of wish it had that. Considering it is a crane loaded vehicle it could have an undefined amount of reloads, nothing historical to back that up! Wherever the EldE 98 goes it just has the same supplychain as the fighterjets.
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Same here, right now having such a mid missile with such a low ammo count and long reload can’t manage any great results to begin with.
If they think multi vehicle SPAA can get 2 launchers with each one getting an ammo crate then why shouldn’t the normal SPAA vehicles be compensated with additional ammo in the boxes too?
I’d also want just a simple change in ammo count and maybe a more reliable TWS. If thats too much to ask for then idk
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some games the EldE 98 works really well in toptier but I have to be very very careful to inspect the TWS lock when I launch. Basically distributing 8 missiles in the span of 15 minutes-.
Sometimes a cap is available and I can be a bit more bold with my launches-
But just imagine 32 missiles what it could do for the longevity of a battle.
I agree with most of this, but 11.3 or less is deranged.
11.7 could be fair, but really all the top tier need to be decompressed and moved up.
The german IRIS-T isnt a simple 0.7 above the TOR, but the Elde is only a bit better than it.
i would be against a BR change because i feel like the EldE 98 would be really powerful against lower BR stuff.
I just want it to work at 12.0