The Challenger 2 (OES) is regarded as one of if not the worst top tier premiums currently in game. With the Ariete Certezza (imo) being slightly better.
The main issue with the Chally 2 (OES) being its mobility. It has the worst mobility out of every 11.7-12.7 tank. The reasons for this are its horrible engine (which is a completely different issue) and the ERA kit it gets which weights it down heavily. The quickest and easiest way to bring more people to purchasing this vehicle is giving players to remove the ERA package like what the M1A2 SEP V2 is going to receive in the upcoming major update “Spearhead”.
Unsure whether correct or not but i also saw a post comparing chally vs t90m air armor and it was basically 1mm air in t90m was equivalent to 4mm of chally 2’s armor values, any thoughts on this or haven’t seen it yet?
Also the camo net should be removable. I think most tanks with one have the option to uninstall. Purely aesthetic I suppose, but it’s one of the tiny areas that shows greater neglect
Who is out there buying that thing when there are three tech-tree Chally2s at the same BR? Lower BR premiums / Tech-tree vehicles are way too fun to be trying to skip the whole tree via playing a Chally 2. Especially a slower one.
M-51’s 400mm pen HEAT can go through the UFP of the MAUS, which is a round found at 6.3.
And I said that they are pretty decent.
UFP is ~540mm, which is enough to stop 3BM46, 120mm DM23, 105mm DM33, 105mm DM63, 120mm M774 & M833, 105mm M900, and 120mm DM33.
That’s quite a big chunk of vehicles, especially at 10.7 / 11.0.
If you do face a tank that has rounds that are better, they’re usually sacrificing something…
M1A1 can be lol-penned and killed in one shot through the loader side (and sometimes gunner side) turret cheek.
T-72B3s get 3BM60 but has no reverse speed, long reload, and no gun depression.
Al-Khalid’s armour is abysmal… and so on.
It’s definitely not great (not as good as the 12.0-12.7 Leopard 2s) but it’s definitely better than something like the Leclerc’s.
Roughly ~370mm thick, which is roughly as good as the Type 90’s and Abrams’.
yeah sure but your missing my point completely the breech armour being as good as the type 90s and abrams is 1 unrealistic and 2 unbalanced the ufp armour being able to stop shells with up to 540mm of pen is also unbalanced and unrealistic as the challenger has better ufp and breech armour irl and what advantage are you getting out of slightly better armour…? none having breech armour as good as a type 90 and ufp armour as good as like a t72 is good until u realise your the heaviest mbt in the game
while i love my chally OES to death and i consider it one of my best prem experiences removing those useless almost purely cosmetic blocks would be a nice option
Slightly better armour…?
2nd / 3rd best turret in the game is not just ‘slightly better’
And this is all the way at 11.7, not 12.7.
I mean, if they are better IRL then they should model it as such, but how it currently is, the 11.7 Challengers are pretty good.
If they had any better armour I wouldn’t be surprised if they got moved up to 12.0 or even 12.3 (if the breech got a lot better).
The breech is really the only place they can shoot and reliably get something when the Chally is hull-down. And again, this is all the way at 11.7. You can face 2A4s and M1 Abrams (which can’t reliably pen the breech BTW) in a lot of cases.
You can face abysmal reload, gun depression, and reverse speed T-72s and T-90s, which is very fun might I add.
You aren’t at 12.7 where things like the 2A7 achieves the same thing but better.
while i agree the 11.7 challenger 2s are good tanks it still doesnt change what i said. the armour is good but its got similar armour to the t72 b3 at a lower br while that doesnt weigh 75 tons. and yeah you face 2a4s and abrams but they are arguably better tanks because they have workable armour and mobility the TES and OES have armour thats only decent in a full downtier but u get a full uptier and your the slowest least armoured to an extent and basically worst tank in the match