You jammy pirck - gone and ruined the odds for all the rest of us!! :p
Congrats!
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Crying? Who’s crying? (Maybe this is an English as a second language issue?) I bought 3 boxes just to see. So, 180K SL… that’s hardly “all” my SL. Must be another ESL issue? Anyhow, thanks for your input.
yeah English is not my main language sorry , crying wasn’t the good word to use here probably.
but you said “Thanks, Gaijin. That was super awesome of you.” even if it’s not their fault (for once lol)
25 Boxes, no hits. But then that was just the odds, ain’t it. Congrats to those who gamble and win.
It’s not impossible, it merely requires making it illegal to be able to spend real money on a random reward.
That is incorrect, because while the loot boxes can only be bought with silver, you can buy gold with real money and exchange that gold for silver. This system exists to clear the legal requirement of not having real money traded directly for gambling and if you ask me, it should also be illegal to do this. It shouldn’t be possible to exchange real money for a random reward, no matter how many steps there are to obfuscate it.
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Why did you replace my quote with your own reply? And where did I take your comment out of context?
He said this system was gambling, which it is. You said warbonds are more of a gamble, which is false because warbonds are not gambling. I’m not saying warbonds are necessarily easier or harder, I am saying they are not gambling, which the loot boxes are.
The “no gamble” part was referring to the warbond shop. It seems you are the one who didn’t bother reading my comment at all.
So… It doesn’t remove this? The snowmen and these dragon boxes are SL, a free currency.
Having a random reward has no consequence when there isn’t a price to pay.
You yourself just said that the loot boxes are bought with SL. How is that a paid gamble? You can get SL from the warbond shop, you can get 3k for flying around for 5 minutes with 0 points.
The system exists to have a randomized reward for a free entry.
Then don’t exchange real world money for an in-gam free currency? What is wrong with you?
I didn’t, those are your exact words.
Yes, no-cost gambling. Issue?
But SL is? Make up your mind.
Both are free currencies and give you rewards with said free currency. Where is the discrepancy?
biggest problem with this argument (even though i agree with you in general) is that SL CAN be bought with real money, so people with a gambling addiction could get hooked and start paying real money to continue when the free SL runs out.
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That’s their problem NOT the game.
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If there is a free and a paid version of the same thing, with the free version being unimaginably easier to get through lower amounts, its clear what the crate is.
A free currency that can be obtained with real money. If you couldn’t get silver using gold, you would have a point, as it stands your argument falls flat.
Although I would say even then the rewards being so difficult to get still makes it an undesirable system.
I literally said you can exchange gold for silver. Read what I actually posted.
No, the system exists to clear the legal requirement of not having real money traded directly for gambling. Refer to what I said before about buying silver using gold.
I don’t, I’m saying it shouldn’t be allowed because it’s predatory.
What is wrong with you? You are the one being oddly aggressive against me for pointing out the obvious while you defend a corporation and their practices.
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No they aren’t, in your post that I replied to, my quote contained your reply words. Check it yourself.
It’s still gambling. It’s also not truly “no-cost”, because you can spend real money on it if you want to.
Loot boxes are, silver itself isn’t. Read what I said.
The loot boxes use a gambling system, the warbond shop does not.
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No, it’s the game’s problem for giving them the ability to spend real money for silver.
that’s like saying a drug addicts problem is their own, not their dealers.
They wouldn’t be an addict if the dealer didn’t exist in the first place.
this is exactly why the EU has started planning rules and laws around loot boxes and a few EU countries have already put in place their own local laws. and its expanding, slowly yes, but still.
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how is playing the game for several hours easier than buying millions of SL in less than 10 seconds?
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Gonna quibble here. SL feels like a currency, but it’s also something of an XP system. You can also get it, quite a bit of it, by playing. This makes it different from GE or GJN which you can only get from play in a few very tightly controlled, mostly indirect ways, for these purposes.
A rough conversion rate, if you were to buy SL with real money (note, never buy SL with real money) is about 100,000 SL to the US dollar (which 1 GJN is pegged to). Does anyone out there really feel that if they’ve played enough tonight to make a million SL, that they’ve earned the equivalent of $10 in any real sense? If someone gave you the choice between a free $50 store premium and 6 million SL on your account, would anyone go, yeah dude, take the SL, that’s worth $10 more?
I mean, yes, your playtime has value, put a value to it. Everyone should. But your time is worth both more and less than that raw conversion rate.
The thing with SL is, assuming I’m not buying SL for gambling purposes with real money (note, never buy SL with real money), I can still play the game at 0 SL balance. There is no negative SL state. I can always start back from zero and make more (and then gamble that away too if I really want). So so long as you keep it as SL lootboxes, the worst your gambling addiction gets you is… back to 0 SL.
Gambling with GE for lootboxes, because it can only really be gained by spending real money, is the company actively encouraging you to take real money and give it to them on a gamble. There’s no other way to interpret their actions. And this is inherently more pernicious and dangerous… because adolescents play this game, and they can run mom’s credit card into the negative, and when that happens it will be 100% Gaijin’s fault for creating systems that encouraged them to do so.
At least with SL gambling, Gaijin can still be saying, mostly honestly, “look we just wanted to give you an incentive to play some more when you’ve already got 100 million SL you alraeady can’t spend.” (Is it the incentive structure I’d prefer?.. no. But you can still say it serves at least some positive purpose.) With GE gambling, they’re saying, “look we want you to go to mom and ask her for food money, and we might give you something if you do.” Much greater moral hazard involved.
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that’s the issue, do you really think an addict would stop when they get to 0SL? Do you think real gambling addicts stop when they empty their bank accounts IRL? no, they take out loans, sell their car, start stealing (buying SL with real money).
this i agree wholeheartedly with. Im glad the EU is looking at loot boxes in games and plan to put rules/laws in place.
well… the issue here being that SL can be bought with GE, insert Rick and Morty meme “that just sounds like GE gambling with extra steps.”
I like the system, its a neat way to spend SL you are not using anywhere else but then they should not sell SL for GE if they want this system.
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