But then again, the f4f also struggles against its actual BR, which is basically constantly 13.7, even though it’s a much better FM than the other phantoms
[insert all 12.7+ aircraft here]
Most of which have a better FM than the phantom (f14, mig29 9-12 ect)
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The people here will never agree with you, but you are right. I took the ICE out again last night to work on finishing spading it, and even with only 2 120s, 4 9Lis and no performance mods I shalacked the blue team with it for 2 hours at 13.7. Went 21-7 with only 3 deaths to enemy players and gun kills on an F-16C and multiple F-15A/Cs.
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Germany is a permanent Red Side member.
Also it’s laughable that you argue that “minor nation vehicles don’t matter”
We dont need things like the f4f ice and shar being moved down. The br cap should be raised to 14.3 minimum… The shar shouldnt be facing f15c’s and gripens just as much as 11.7s shouldnt be seeing the shar, same with the f4f ice.
13.0 plus is basically just 13.7 with how many uptiers you see and the shar has no right being their (especially when compared to its “counterpart” the av 8b+ which is just better in every way aprt from radar).
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When it comes to “I can easily see that bracket becoming 1:2 ratio of players in favour for Redfor.” it absolutely is true that the minor nations don’t have enough bodies to outweigh USA to that degree. It’s just cold hard facts. Especially when they’re on USA’s team half the time.
Yep, that would be the prefered solution
What makes you think that? Currently on the dev server the FM is unchanged.
People were discussing it in the R&R thread (or the dev server changelog thread one of the 2) and they said it felt better. Dunno if its just a placebo. But figured they might have done something
It’s placebo. The datamine shows the FM hasn’t changed in 5 months.
Fair enough then.
Bombs? Thought we are talking about Mavericks.
Bombs has to many disadvantages compare to missiles, O don’t see any reason to use them.
There are no games where Japan, Sweden, and France are on the same team. They all float and Japan is never paired with France or Sweden.
AAM-3 is for all intents and purposes equal to Aim-9M.
MiG-29G is at 13.0 and it gets clowned on by the F-14s and the F-15s. There was a USA main who was complaining about the MiG-29 fighting the F-16A. I took the F-16A against his MiG-29 and he lost every time. This is something that I have demonstrated in game too many times to count at this point.
Both are still out-ranged and out performed BVR by the F-14 IRAF. If they get into a dogfight they just die. Or they should…but hey… I somehow out rated a Gripen with the F-4E today… so there is that.
France and Sweden never make up the majority of a red side team. At best it can be argued that they have parity due to the minor nations they are paired up with.
Potatoe tomatoe. The ICE dropping down just means it has a chance to at least have a niche outside of “just worse than everything it faces in every respect”. But also yes…the Tornado should move down so it can also be a mid mobile with AMRAAMs for some of the time and not just outright bad every day of the week.
Fakours while strong are no AIM 120 and the IRIAF F-14 has weak IR missiles for the BR level.
An F-4F KWS should smoke an Iranian F-14 in most engagements.
rooivalk well that best Laser guidance missile helis ，Except KA50/52 MI28MN. it beat ka52/mi28mn some situation.
Because it has a longer guidance distance, better trajectory (power all the way), and it is better than all missiles except 9M127 (except FNF which is a different thing. They don’t need continuous guidance, just a lottery.)
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You take that bad, son of a HOSBO bomb!
How the turn tables, I bet you mostly play 10.3 USSR/Russia premium lineups.
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Coming back to this topic since new additions came.
Edited my first post as well:
AGM-65As brought us 4ish km track ranges.
Kh-29TD brings 6km.
AGM-65D/Kh-38 brings 14km… and with that we need to talk effective ranges.
AGM-65A’s effective range is about 5km.
Kh-29TD is about 7.5 - 8km.
AGM-65D is about 17km.
Kh-38MT is about 21km.
This accounts for speed differences.
This is why the at the time of this post [October 2024] I stated that Pantsir was not enough to deal with IR AGMs. I stand by that, as CLAWS shows it’s barely enough to deal with Su-34s, and it’s better than the Pantsir… except against helicopters.
ARHs even of JAGM’s capability would be devastating for both enemies and team mates.
No radar IFF for ground units, poor radar simulation of ground units, and poor helicopter radar return simulation.
Let alone the speed of jets that can pop up and down even faster than with IR AGMs.
I want these AGMs in-game, but I can’t think of a way for them to be balanced without disabling air to ground teamkilling, and having a better awareness system in general.
Oh, and my stance of Kh-38MTs being more powerful than AGM-65Ds remains unchanged.
I still say give them ir lock, who cares about realism when realistically we will never see them in game if we only ask for arh anything. Didn’t see a point back when they were added and still dont now.
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