It isn’t though, cause you have to climb to 10,000 meters for both unless you just get close to the airfield in which case Grom 2 is still better.
The booster only grants you an extra 10km of range at most, not minimum, at most.
You still have to get to at least the center of the map and launch from at least 7000 meters.
It’s a lot safer and faster to just do standard runs where you terrain follow.
I’ve been doing these runs since 2019. Grom 1 would’ve never been on my radar cause it’s too slow, too weak, and the long-range option is too dangerous.
If I run the plane, and run GPS guided bombs, it’ll be the most payload, and I’ll get within 20km of the runway, lift up, drop, RTB, and that’ll be faster and safer than attempting 10,000 meter launches from the center of the map.
F3 being 13.0 wouldn’t be that unbalanced but people will still complain about it, and there’s no way the FA2 can be 12.7 simply because compression, can you imagine dodging aim120 in a mig23? i’d say 13.3 for the f3 and 13.0 for the fa2 is somewhat OK, even though they’ll suffer in an uptier.
I also hope that multiple nations get the typhoon or f18 next update
britain suffers
Tornado F3 Late to 13.0 in Sim (though would be no greater harm than the ICE moving down in RB too and less people play it)
Torando Gr4 to 12.0 in at least sim but probably RB too
Sea Harrier FA2 to get some major buffs
I dont think the ICE should have moved down at all though, at least for ARB. The idea of trying to fight one in something like a Phantom FGR2 is jsut insane to me. Skyflash DFs vs AMRAAM defo a fair fight.
I mean you’re still pitting an aim120 against an FGR2, just with a worse FM. And the skyflash is just a modified aim120 is it not? i’m not too eductated about that but if it is you’re pitting a FGR against a aim120 on a fast platform, even though it can’t really turn
FGR2 has better engines but is heavier so turns worse. Also dependent on an external gunpod.
Radar on the FGR2 is one of the weakest PDV radars in game and can barely guide a skyflash onto target.
Skyflashes are a modified Aim-7E (Iirc) they have a max effective range of maybe 10km, but usually more like 7-8 and can usually be defaeted kinematically.
FGR2 is at 12.0, with 4x Aim-9Gs and 4x Skyflash DFs (aim-7E basically). F-4F ICE has 4x Aim-9Li and 4x AMRAAM and better FM and a better radar. Even the ICE has better CMs. Only advantage is maybe that the FGR2 is slightly faster on the deck. Not that that changes much when defending against an AMRAAM.
FGR2/FG1 should never have been 12.0 to begin with (and yes, struggled like hell vs the Harriers), but now they are facing supersonic AMRAAM slingers and the Su-27. Is just getting kinda insane.
But then again, the f4f also struggles against its actual BR, which is basically constantly 13.7, even though it’s a much better FM than the other phantoms
The people here will never agree with you, but you are right. I took the ICE out again last night to work on finishing spading it, and even with only 2 120s, 4 9Lis and no performance mods I shalacked the blue team with it for 2 hours at 13.7. Went 21-7 with only 3 deaths to enemy players and gun kills on an F-16C and multiple F-15A/Cs.
We dont need things like the f4f ice and shar being moved down. The br cap should be raised to 14.3 minimum… The shar shouldnt be facing f15c’s and gripens just as much as 11.7s shouldnt be seeing the shar, same with the f4f ice.
13.0 plus is basically just 13.7 with how many uptiers you see and the shar has no right being their (especially when compared to its “counterpart” the av 8b+ which is just better in every way aprt from radar).
When it comes to “I can easily see that bracket becoming 1:2 ratio of players in favour for Redfor.” it absolutely is true that the minor nations don’t have enough bodies to outweigh USA to that degree. It’s just cold hard facts. Especially when they’re on USA’s team half the time.
People were discussing it in the R&R thread (or the dev server changelog thread one of the 2) and they said it felt better. Dunno if its just a placebo. But figured they might have done something
