Spawning CAS is what gives teams an easy victory. and the enemies AA being useless helps but is not required
im not a leopard 2 engineer but it doesnt seem realistic that shooting the bottom floor of a tank destroys the turret ring
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Agreed. CAS is a horrid problem.
Pantsir is not overperforming, however it doesn’t have an equal in other nations.
No, Pantsir is not problematic when doing CAP. This is a you issue. However, Yes, we need more powerful SPAA.
God awful change.
Agreed.
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i doubt youre playing anything near 12.7 if youre saying this. Its actually so far disconnected from reality to say this that i doubt you even play the same game. To suggest that CAS loses the matches is absolutely hilarious. CAS might not be able to “cap a point” but its more than capable at completely demolishing the enemy ground and its kinda hard to capture enemy point when you have 150kg TNT missiles going Mach 2 heading at your location.
Id be genuinely baffled by what you wrote had i not known the type of stuff you say on regular basis
i literally just said baskets, i dont know where youve come to the conclusion that i want autoloaders gone, its literally just the turret basket that is problematic.
It serves 0 purpose other than to artificially nerf the tanks that have it included.
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by that logic it is overperforming compared to its contemporaries like i said :)
I very much disagree, depending on where you end up going into the merge, you are more often than not within pantsir range, if you end up getting into a dogfight and bleed your speed it is very easy to get third partied by the pantsir due to its range.
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Your doubts are pretty accurate. But to give him credit he appears to be pretty good at the lower tiers. But in regards to top tier he doesn’t play very much top tier with his most games played this year being 17 games played in a Leopard and that’s about it.
As fun as it would be to argue, you are right. We need better maps, better SPAAs, and a massive increase to the price of air to ground ordnance. Otherwise, a Ground only mode would be nice.
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lol CAS can’t capture points, and 1 spawn of CAS costs more per frag than more 3 spawns of MBTs.
The bottom floor of turret baskets getting damaged can jam the turret and/or prevent the crew from turning it out of fear of harming themselves.
And without a mechanic of a chance to injure crew with a damaged basket floor, it jamming the turret is a good compromise.
@kedrigern
I’ve been playing 12.0 consistently this last month.
Every victory I’ve had involves teams using their spawn points for tanks rather than CAS more than the enemy.
A CAS can get 6 frags in one sortie.
In my MBT I can get 3+ frags and a capture point while costing 20.6% the cost of the CAS on the first [second] spawn.
The basket getting damaged means you can’t rotate your turret, nothing more.
The autoloader getting damaged means you can’t fire more than once.
Baskets are also not an artificial nerf, they exist IRL and a damaged turret basket IRL causes the crew to retreat for inspection and repairs.
Give CAP a chance. They have been less efficient than SPAA since 8.3.
TBH does anyone feels the same thing as this one: ? Only RFL and E2K can pull Pantsirs off with full concentration while F1516 have 0 chance of pulling. On one side absolutely pull-able, the other side absolute death zone.
Not before making SPAA 300sp+.
#Laughing at 300sp Rocket Heli, 500sp Fox2 CAP, 700sp Fox3 CAP who still need full concentration on bleeding his energy/ stick to the deck to maintain within 20km from the battlefield, while unable to keep scanning the air spawn for reaching the airfield.
I think just letting their SP scale with tanks is a good idea.
Played around 20 matches in row, with 2-3 resp.
After 2 minutes of match sky was full of planes, more than 50% of my deaths was from CAS.
It’s not “ground realistic battles” anymore, it’s “try to not get bombed” mode. At any tier and any BR CAS is too cheap and too strong, game is mostly unplayable because of it.
Best solution would be “only ground mode” but i understand Gaijin will never do it, so increasing CAS/helicopter SP would be best option.
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Don’t get me wrong, I am firmly, and very outspokenly in the camp that we need better SAM’s & that certain CAS could do with SP increases. But I really don’t think helicopters (at top tier) are that big of an issue.
Granted we have two countries, Israel and Japan, who still lack any form of adequate ground based counterplay against helicopters, (and as an ISR main I feel that pain every game), and the solution there is that they need things like Spyder & the radar guided Tan Sam. But for the most part, Heli’s really aren’t that hard to take down for everyone else’s AA.
They exist in a position where, if there is no AA up on the enemy team, they can absolutely clean house and probably feel extremely oppressive for the other teams tankers. But one single ADATS / ITO / Flarak / Tor can either instantly delete them at best, or present a severe enough deterrence to force them into hiding at worst.
It’s only really the F&F Heli’s with Pars/Spikes that I think could maybe warrant an SP bump for those specific missile loads, but for most other things they’re kinda fine. The only times I ever see the likes of Apaches or Kamov’s go on a wrecking streak is when the opponents either don’t spawn AA, or their AA is ignoring them.
does this make CAS balanced, or justify clicking at people and getting free kills with no possible defense?
if crew realism matters then there shouldnt be a crew upgrade for 200% HP, and crew members shouldnt be able to heal over time. and you shouldnt be able to reload while operating the turret with 2 crew members
I play CAS and i play SPAA. It feels soo good when i just go and bomb everyone and then i die or join another match and i play the ADATS(pretty useless spaa but most cas players don’t really know what they’re doing so it’s alright) and i kill every plane that dares to fly above me. Or even better, when i see a KA-52 flying nearby and i launch a missile at them. I see them struggling to evade but not a single chance.
It’s a lot of fun guys
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