Dont diss ADATS like that
plus ahead actually works well against agm and kh38 which saved my ass most of the time
AHEAD from my understanding shoots out in a sphere instead of a cone which can be positive and negative (less concentrated shrapnel if actually modelled) and doesn’t work when firing at a target going cold aspect. The CS/SA5 only has a single belt as well so if you do decide to being AHEAD with you then you have no chance for self defence against ground units as you obviously can’t mix multiple ammunition choices (which is unfortunate).
TDLR; you sacrifice your defence against ground units just for the ability to intercept munition
also why are you not using your smoke grenades ? they are good at spoofing agm
In the clip I uploaded there were like 5 different aircraft up and I used all my smoke grenades already to evade Spikes fired from a helicopter, I already know how effective they can be as defence against aerial bandits.
ive never had a better time playing the thing and being able to kill helis trying to hide behind cover because it loft and lands above their heads makes the ka52 look bad
Mostly luck, the FB-10/A can’t switch between DL+IOG and Tracking (IR guidance) iirc properly so if you do kill something behind cover then it’s most likely was a IOG kill. There are some few instances were the missiles does switch to Tracking IR but this isn’t something I checked in replays but just a feeling.
I have a friend who mains Israel and recently unlocked the SYPDER (literally 6 hours ago) and has been enjoying it thus far albeit with some issues with in-game audio and bugs, he even managed to get a 25km kill against a cooperating target which is impressive, the CS/SA5 would never dream of such a thing (especially as the radar only locks at around 21km).
lucky him
nope it was an ir track at more than 4 km
my longest was 7 km and it was when the fb10a didnt have DL
what i would do is use the agm as a heat source to fire my missile since it would go faster that the seeker ability to track so i would get a temporary track and i just fire and let it do its thing
There is no point in lowering the combat rating. It is necessary to fix weak missiles, the hill after launch, the weak inaccurate gun, issue sub-caliber shells, etc. IRIS T is also broken, absolutely useless due to its size, broken missiles, the lack of implementation of matrix seekers in the game, the broken radar and many other reasons. Anyone who calls IRIS T the best SAM in the game and effective protection against CAS = an screw or is being dishonest.
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All SPAAs are broken, radar is basically buns ever since the update was dropped and TWS is unbearable, that’s not even mentioning the fact that some SPAAs like the HQ-17 have a bug that makes it so after every couple seconds it automatically loses lock.
Gaijin and War Thunder has failed time and time again recently and this recent update is one of them, this was a update focused on premium slop and added more issues than it fixed - can we all mutually agree Gaijin is mostly at fault?
Honestly if you look at it
20G missiles, at 12.0, caged(so no LAV-AD stuff), barely 50 cal resistance, same speed as LAV
Given that the LAV has more(if no rocket) and same amount(with rocket), smaller profile but no radar at 2 whole BR lower and still is very viable at 12.0
yeah this thing needs to get move down tbh
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uncaged missile btw
Hey, sure - its just that if it was meant to be joke, it didnt come across like that and it wasnt really obvious (seeing as some people make answers like that unironically).
But humor is subjective, i guess.
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people finally waking up to how useless cannon based systems are against ordinance? the amount of times i stared in the face of a agm65 with the sgt york is insane.
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Dont worry, agm65 is also useless and free SL
But it is the best spaa
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radar is … lacking to say the least in general… tws without datalink genuinely works better than with datalink because the datalink enabled missiles keep switching to new targets (like bombs or missiles)
also still waiting for gaijin to actually turn these radars into ESA radars… the giraffe 1x and trml-4d for example are still mech scan
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The 30G overload capacity of the missile is indeed noteworthy. I am unsure of the source from which “gaijin” obtained this information, but I have compiled all available data from online resources. To date, only one news media outlet—though not an officially authoritative source—has reported on the overload capacity of the FB-10A, stating it to be at least 20G or higher.
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To be honest, the secretive nature of most Chinese vehicles acts as an excuse for gaijin to not make them good
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CS/SA5, Pantsir, EldE 98, Spyder, and Tan-SAM Kai should be 12.0.
CLAWS should be 12.3.
SLM and the other new SPAA should be 12.7 to start.
But apparently increasing the BR of new SPAA is “ragebait”.
Brother that debate was almost a entire month ago, are you still frustrated that most people would agree that the CS/SA5 is currently in a poor position? Going back to old messages out of frustration won’t help you in the long run lmao.
CS/SA5, Pantsir, EldE 98, Spyder, and Tan-SAM Kai can remain 12.0
Call it a hunch but I honestly don’t think the CS/SA5, Tan-SAM Kai and EldE 98 are on par with the Pantsir, that thing can easily be moved up to 12.3 and still be fine.
The fact Gaijin had the balls to introduce the Pantsir back in 2023 still puzzles me till this day
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Pantsir is SACLOS, which is inferior to F&F.
16km range SACLOS is not as good as 16km range F&F.
Are you going to say the ITO-90M, FlaRakRad, and TOR M1 are equals to EldE 98, and Tan-SAM? Just cause they’re the same range?
Pantsir can’t deal with 12.7+ CAS as much as CS/SA5, because 12.7+ CAS has launch ranges for their IR AGMs outside those two vehicles effective ranges.
Which is why they should remain 12.0 while better SPAA moves up.
The CAS that Pantsir and CS/SA5 are BR’d with are mostly LGBU CAS and slower IR AGM CAS like Harrier GR7, which is rather balanced.
Pantsir can’t deal with 12.7+ CAS as much as CS/SA5, because 12.7+ CAS has launch ranges for their IR AGMs outside those two vehicles effective ranges
I’ll leave one final response and will not continue this pointless argument. The CS/SA5 has an effective range of about 6km against a non-cooperating target, and its missiles can be flared and will be flared consistently. In contrast, the Pantsir can adjust its missiles for correction and is equipped with guns accurate enough to intercept munitions, unlike the CS/SA5 and also has triple the effective range as the CS/SA5.
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16km is not 3x over 8km.
The video also doesn’t test for ranges beyond 8km until failure.
The point of testing against SPAA is to launch until the missile can’t hit a target.
This is how I determined Pantsir range was 13km until October 2024 where it increased to 16km against an angled target where it stands today.
CS/SA5 is also equipped with a cannon.
As I said previously, just because better SPAA is not at 12.3 and 12.7 doesn’t justify moving good SPAA for 12.0 down.
Look at 12.0 CAS: Tornado IDS ASSTA, AV-8B, A-10C, F-4F KWS, etc.
Do you really think that CAS over-powers CS/SA5, Pantsir, Tan-SAM, and EldE 98 by any notable metric?
Your post is acting as if these SPAA platforms are the same BR as F-15E, Su-34, Rafale, and Mirage 2000D RMV when they aren’t.
The problems with the CS/SA5 are threefold.
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The absurd lofting behavior happens at ALL ranges, which means that the missile deadzone goes from 2 km to up to SIX kilometers, which the gun can’t cover.
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After leaving the launch tube, the missile drops significantly, so you have to elevate the launch tubes, which makes the missile loft even more.
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The track radar always tries to track the newest contact, so if you’re tracking a plane that is launching missiles, it will switch targets to the missiles he launched, making shooting the guy down almost impossible.
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