The problem is now that you’re opinion seems poorly informed and you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
Most of what you said is redundant to each other or doesn’t compare.
The Leopard 1 31105 is nowhere near the AMX-30B2.
The NF-5A is arguably the better addition compared to the F-16. It would serve best as a squadron or ge premium.
While there’s no purpose to F-16 or Leopard 2 copy paste. They’re far to redundant to be meaningful additions, which is why we’re so against them as additions.
And it does. A Leopard adds significantly more diversity and flavour to the tree than “six Leclerc prototypes”.
I’m currently banging my head against my desk.
it is true that the number of Leopards and F16s in France has been constantly increasing in recent years, especially since there have been no NATO bases since 1967
I hate that post, but it’s correct…
We said diversity, not copy pasted vehicle, look at what was done with south africe, that was a great addition, new vehicle and they ony add one plane cause they didn’t have any other choice
France has Leclercs and does not have Leos, this is very much increasing diversity.
After seeing the BENELUX subtree on another topic, I don’t see the point of connecting it to the French tree.
There is only a small portion of French vehicles (air and ground), especially compared to the German equipment.
And these vehicles will not fill any gaps in the French techtree.
In my opinion, there are three 3 gaps in the French ground tech tree:
-BR 7.X for SPAA
-BR 9.X for light tanks
-BR 10.x for medium, light and SPAA tanks.
The inventory of real French equipments exists to fill these gaps.
In addition, vehicles of purely BENELUX design and use are few in number in this tree proposal.
Finally, I’m not sure that players who want this equipment first want to play the French techtree. Something tells me that some people would prefer the German nation.
Subtrees become a headache, and break the principle of techtree nation.
Either we break this nation system and we go through research via industrial or kinship between materials.
Either the “exotic” hardware is offered to everyone, until all the hardware in the world is implemented and we are able to make 193 different techtrees.
Either we offer tech trees by nation but with bridges during major political changes in the country or offer to switch nation/maker with the rank change. A bit like Israel.
The USA does not have a T-80, let’s add some in this case. The original idea of the trees is to have vehicles representative of their countries, and unless I am mistaken, the Leopard does not represent France at all.
And in itself adding a leopard, it’s not even about diversity, it’s not as if France didn’t have any lightly armored tank whose gameplay is based on mobility, if it had been a heavy tank or not very mobile it would have been diversity
You are right, the France doesnt any leopards or F16s, but something unique.
Gaijin tries to give them leopards just for escaping some issues on leclercs, fix leclercs and no any leopards, there are much enough leopards in WT.
Same, F16s are also unnecessary, Mirages armed better missiles like IR Mica, but hmmm, everyone knows, since the Mica the Fox 3 is about to introduce, so adding IR Micas to Mirages is a very good idea than these American made ones, which is more advenced and adopted in WT today.
Otherwise, there’s a much better idea than Gaijin’s, add Holland to Germany not France so that German gets what they need like f16, AH64 Apache and even one more leoprad2A6+.
The tree also represents whatever subtrees and similar attached nations it has. “France” is much easier to fit into the UI than “France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and friends”.
Frenchs dont need any leopards
Here’s another thing, we don’t know what the 2A4 will look like in model.
We can assess that the 2A6 will be the Finnish model with different camos though, so that’ll be copy-paste.
I’ll reserve my judgement on the 2A4 until I see it in-game.
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France also doesn’t need VB1002, but it was added cause it’s cool.
AMX-13 HOT is also cool despite being hilariously not that useful.
You’re right.
I can’t see significant difference between AMX40 BR9.7 and the first Leclerc BR11.7. 2BR it’s a huge gap.
All Leclerc are 11.7, while Leopard 2, Abrams, T80, T90 are between 10.x and 11.x.
The best Leopard for France is inarguably the 2A4, which is the only one I’ll come close to accepting. We don’t need any other variant.
But I’m against it because it will still be the odd vehicle in it’s line ups. As France is for the most part, a fiercely independent for military production and procurement.
Additions for the sake of additions adds unnecessary bloat and weighs down the rest of the tech tree.
South Africa added a lot of cool and interesting vehicles, but they’re occupying an entire branch.
So be careful, I’m going to ask you an extremely tough question, in your opinion, is there more of a link between France and the Benelux or between Germany and the Benelux?
Militarily, their vehicles are of German origin and the countries collaborate with each other (a few exceptions for the plane witch are americans)
Geographically, France and Germany are both neighbors of the Benelux
Historically, although invaded by Germany during WW2, the Benelux is very close to this one
It’s true that this question would call into question my entire point of view on the matter. It’s still a Leopard
I will agree that the 2A6 isn’t necessary of the two Leopards being added.
And the reason I say two is Cockerill is very much a Belgian project, thus wasn’t going to be outside Belgium addition anyway.
I see thematic connections for either, but between the two I would pick France. Especially as Germany has a much fuller tech tree.
Swiss and Austrian stuff should go to Germany though. Spain should likely go to Italy. Ireland to UK. The only country in the general region which seems difficult to place is Poland, but ultimately probably USSR.
Germany, USA and Britain as well.
Maybe, an " Other than Germany, Britain, France or Sweden European nations tree"
For tanks maybe but clearly not for plane
A lot of their Cold war Era weapon are french, Spain and Switzerland have more French equipment than the Benelux
And on top of that, we must remember that France is one of the rare “small” countries which makes a point of having its own military industry since the Second World War with very little collaboration or purchase of foreign vehicles