Fokker G.1 would be an awesome addition, such a cool plane.
More of things we have in other trees doesn’t bother me at all, it adds more options to the country it’s added to and makes it easier for people to obtain them. More is always better.
Thank you for trying, I made different suggestions in other topics when the first rumors concerning the Benelux appeared. Unfortunately I don’t think Gaijin is listening to us
If you have to play France to get Leopards and F-16, what is the use of the tree system in the game? Might as well do global research and remove nations at that level.
Let’s copy and paste all the top tier vehicles to pretend to add content
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? Mirage 3E is already added. [NF-5A]
There is no Vextra TML 105 equivalent.
There’s no Leopard 2A4 equivalent.
F-16A equivalents are already added.
2A6 equivalents are already in-game.
Leopard 1 equivalent’s in-game.
There’s really nothing for those specific vehicles…
That would be the ideal, though actually implementing this wouldn’t be viable at this point in the game’s life.
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There are at least 3 french versions of Mirage 3 and 5 that can be added to the game (3NG, 3EX, 50)
This a french design
Have you ever heard about the AMX 30, 32 and 40 variants
Several Mirage 2000 variants and their improvements are still missing
I am not fundamentally against adding a sub-tree to France, but we would have to think for more than 5 seconds and ask ourselves if just adding leopards and the solution, as @ 你的智力决定我的出车数量 said very well, there are plenty of original options and concepts which could have their place with France
Frankly, when we see the list that is proposed, in which nation would this sub-branch make the most sense, Germany or France?
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I assume you mean what is currently in game.
Otherwise France has domestic equivalents for whatever a subtree could offer.
A sub tree for France should bring diversity and flavor, not be a means to fill gaps that shouldn’t be there in the first place. Which this has become a very tired argument.
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You’re list is very good, I would support your idea for BeNeLux as a subtree if it’s being added. As this is has a lot of thought and research put into it.
There’s about 6 prototype Leclercs. France is in no shortage of light vehicles that can be added as well.
I can personally say that I have no interest in copy paste Leopard 2s or F-16s, they’ll only serve to add unnecessary bloat.
But we don’t know if Gaijin even cares about our feedback for this issue. The suspected worst case scenario is that BeNeLux serves to just bring copy-paste and say that’s the solution to the problem they created.
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AMX-40 is already in the game.
Mirage 2000 is already in the game.
All the vehicles in the sub-tree don’t replace anything, they augment at most.
@MS_Phantasm
Sub-trees don’t replace equipment in War Thunder, they add.
And the sub-tree is adding.
Sub-trees have never been added to “fill gaps that shouldn’t be there”.
For me the best thing to do for adding this sub tree would have been not to put the planes, because the majority of them are imported planes and for the tanks, to add the unique designs
- Piranha III
- Bechhold
- ACEC Cobra tank (25 and 90)
- Marmon-Herrington tanks (ww2)
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South Africa begs to differ.
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When I talk about vehicle VARIANTS, what’s not to know, there have been improvement projects for the AMX-30, 32 and 40 whose models are not in the game
In game we have 4 variants of Mirage 2000 out of the 11 existing major variants, I guess that’s not enough? Where are the 2000-N, the 2000-B, the 2000-9, the 2000-E…
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That sub-tree proves my point.
Smin already commented on it plenty of times as well.
South Africa added nothing that wasn’t already in the tree or things that had no domestic options.
It added unique vehicles that augmented lineups.
And the Benelux sub-tree is no different. Every vehicle class in the leak list is already in France, or not available to add.
oops
as I have show before, no, France is missing a LOT of vehicles
same
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There’s plenty that the UK has that could have been added in place of everything South Africa added.
The only useful gap they filled was with the JAS39.
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Did you even read OP’s post?
This is about what BeNeLux can bring if it’s actually thought out and implemented well, while trimming off as much unnecessary fat as possible.
The fact is additions like the Leopard 2 and F-16 are entirely unnecessary.
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VFM5 was already added to Britain before Rooikats were.
Olifant Mk2 augmented the already existing Chieftain Mk10.
TTD is a worse Vickers Mk7.
G6 augmented FV4005.
Ratal 90s? Warrior.
And Benelux?
Leopard 2A4 augments AMX-40.
2A6 at most augments Leclercs, and I won’t be getting that one.
F-16? They’ll be the same BRs as the Mirage 2000s that are already added. Well except Mirage 20005F since that’s getting MICA EM.
NF-5A? Mirage 3E is already present and is better.
Leopard 1 Cockerill? AMX-30B2.
Mirage 5BA? IDK what this has, but there are a ton of strike aircraft from 10.0 - 11.3 already. That and it’s also French origin.
Fokker G1? Sounds like a prop, France already has among the best props.
Nothing in the sub-tree is new to France as a vehicle class.
They physically cannot prevent domestic options as the domestic options are already in the tech tree.
The myth that sub-trees prevent domestic options is getting old.
I for one anticipate a 10.3 lineup for France for the first time.
Sure, France has some domestic options for an 11.0 lineup later on, none of these additions are going to create an 11.0 lineup though.
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Ngl I want this tbh
adding what is basically a German tech tree to France is the worst idea I have seen this game implement since F&F CAS
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With how homogenized the tech trees are becoming, we might as well become a more realistic Armored Warfare.