Using win rates for an argument is honestly pretty terrible… doesn’t really say anything about a specific airframe or missile.
are you like actually concussed?
Might want to check my stats… I’ve played enough, including using the Mica myself
also which 2 have what you have said is the best BVR plane (being f15e/i)
if BVR was meta they wouldnt have the lowest winrate
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They at the very least show the snowball potential of some nations, how it’s not a valid metric?
Are you seriously trying to pull the hardest strawman by using win rates as a metric… when win rates depend on how entire TEAMs perform…
a team made up of what planes exactly?
It’s an incredibly long-winded metric… it’s like saying the T-90A is literally the best tank in the game because Russia has the highest win rate in GRB.
Because most ARB players were butthurt they couldn’t just multipath straight at people anymore and had very little actually defensive maneuvering experience.
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And people still do it, and die to it all the time, it doesn’t matter if you can actually fight against it yourself, it only matters if it’s a good way of getting kills, because the combination of a Typhoon/F-15E and amraams was an incredibly survivable (to yourself) and deadly combo. Which is what made it meta…
You’re bending a plain fact out of a invalid comparison:
- France at 14.0 games have 63.5% WR.
- The only plane France has at 14.0 is the Rafale.
Your WR stat argument may be valid for GRB discussions, but for ARB, and unless the entire French community plays with Mirage 4000s uptiered to 14.0, it’s just disingenuous and only shows you either conveniently miss concepts or just plain don’t know about stuff and you’re just arguing sefl-entitled for your pride.
It doesn’t make the AIM-120 good. It makes players bad, that’s it.
By that same logic, the R-77-1 is just straight better than the AIM-120 currently. It can be fired from lower and slower and still maintain a time to impact advantage against AIM-120s at long range while being flatly better in close, so you’re still wrong.
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Well yeah the R-77-1 would probably be better than the AMRAAM in most engagements, but they’re put on much worse platforms… which is why it isn’t really the “meta” missile.
I’d like to. Cause it is just a friendly discussion. If you play better, I would like to learn some skills anyway.
I mean I’m always willing to play, though imma head to bed soon
its not the meta missile because mica exists
it is better than or equivalent to amraam in pretty much all situations
Wouldn’t really say the Rafale can match the F-15E/Typhoon and AMRAAM combo, it wouldn’t do as well using the same strategy as it doesn’t get up to altitude and speed as fast as they do, the mica suits better for what the Rafale is better suited for as well, brawling at close ranges
Except that it’s not? Its on the Su-30SM, which has undisputably the 2nd best radar in-game (or flatly the best depending on your opinion of the RBE2) and even despite being on a worse kinematic platform, exceeds the AIM-120 in kinematic performance, while carrying dramatically more magazine depth, to the point that it can literally BVR straight at you in your EF-2000, shoot down all your “sooooo powerful BVR AIM-120s” and still have half its missiles left to chase you home, sad and stupid with your tail between your legs.
I don’t think you realise how sluggish the SU-30 is in comparison, it didn’t get the SU-27SMs engine thrust, only getting the ability to TVC whilst the airframe also increasing in weight. And you mention about shooting down missiles, not really much a single SU-30 is going to do vs multiple F-15s and Typhoons at high altitude lobbing missiles at people who are staying low before they get a chance to shoot, it isn’t as clear cut a strategy as you might think it is.
I’m not talking out of my ass, unlike you. I actually have all of these aircraft.
Oh so now it’s not an ARB match, but a coordinated flight? My my my how the goal posts move.
But if you really want to imply that it is an ARB match, what are all the Su-30SMs teammates doing while it’s somehow being singled out🤔. Could it be they are closing the distance unopposed to trounce those F-15s and Typhoons with dramatically higher PK missiles!!?!?😱
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