gaijin likes giving the wrong ammo to tanks that can technically fire it.
we even get fake ammo like L23 because of poor research by the devs
can garantee the Thai VT tank will use chinese designated ammo if it ever come to the game too, even though it probably shouldnt just like the challenger 2 starts with L23a2 for some reason
Yes, they trialed an Oplot-M, specifically the one that integrated the APU and A/C for the Oplot-T. In the image you sent there is the vent for the APU for example.
This is identical to the Oplot-T, even if it is technically a modified Oplot-M. The only difference here is the name.
Did you know? - The text above is talking about the Pakistani trialed Oplot-M, the exact tank found in game. Just because it is identical to the Oplot-T both in reality and in game doesn’t make this off-topic.
This picture is not the tank Pakistan trialed, it’s the Oplot-P prototype. The main difference here is the different side ERA arrangement, but in this specific image the Varta APS is also removed. This tank was built based on Pakistani requirements after they tested the Oplot-M, but ultimately wasn’t accepted into service.
Did you know? - This second part is a direct response to the creator of this topic making claims about the Oplot-P. It is also not off-topic so you can stop mass flagging it.
this thread sounds like an ill informed non english speakers rant about some obscure balance decision made by gaijin based on technical capability of a vehicle
like why the hell would a ukr 125mm dart not be able to be fired from an oplot M but it would from a T. they both use the same gun, calibre and FCS lol.
If the tank can fire it, it’s correct ammo.
You also made a false equivalence fallacy.
Your posts meant to say L27 or DM53 out of Ariete for a correct comparison.
And you’re post would still be incorrect.
Thai VT-4 uses BTA-4, really no reason to not give it that.
its probably just that its inaccurate to service more than anything + china tree issues
It’s a stretch being in the Chinese tech tree at all
truth still is, Oplot P was never even tested in Pakistan they only test Olot M . At that time, the BTA-4 shell hadn’t been developed yet, which means it never met the BTA-4 standard at all.
On top of that, the vehicle currently in War Thunder isn’t an Oplot-P, but an Oplot-M. That makes the use of BTA-4 ammunition even more questionable and inaccurate
and this post talk abont T84-Oplot M not P varian if u want to talk abount P varaint just go to the T84-oplot P post
here – T-84 BM Oplot-P: Just as my nation, I was built for a purpose
Just give it naiza apfsds. I mean it was made in the yearly 2000s and it was made for the t-80ud, so i think it would work the the OPLOT-M too.
Edit: I think people say it has around 550mm or penetration so it would almost perform about the same.
It was built for Pakistan, not for any other nation. Even the Oplot-M testing was intended to see what Changes Pakistan required in their own variant.
It’s a Pakistani tank, where it was tested doesn’t matter.
all u sentent was end with the ture what we got in game is T-84 oplot M not P
and it out of topic we talk abount M varian not the P if u wanan t to talk abount P varian
here T-84 BM Oplot-P: Just as my nation, I was built for a purpose
Its not the end of the world if he talks about the oplot-p here.
兄弟，what?
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that not matter when we got in game is T-84 oplot M this is ture ist it ?
and in the game now it T-84 oplot M not P So what u want form it P varian no even in the game ?
and this post discuse abount T-84 oplot M ammunition incoude BTA-4
here list of all Top shell for each vertion they use correct to information // iRL //
T-84 oplot M- 3BM42 “Mango”
T-84 oplot P - 125mm apfsds " naiza "
T-84 oplot T - กระสุนเจาะเรียบ 125 มม. " BTA 4 "
this is was the most Perfect Fit for all
ukrain original verion get they original shell
pakistan get they pototype shell
thailand get they license production shell
T-84 oplot M 3BM42 “Mango” original ukrain shell
T-84 oplot P 125mm apfsds " naiza " pototype shell
T-84 oplot T - กระสุนเจาะเรียบ 125 มม. " BTA 4 " license production
Why can’t the oplot-m use the naiza apfsds?
where the soure for it can use ? No information , No soure ? then it cant use
well we talk base on information not base on imagine
Oplot P have a significant modifi to fit for Pakistan incude they poduct ammunition " naiza apfsds "
Oplot T have a significant modifi to fit for Thailand that incude " BTA 4 " license production
why it fit BTA-4 / becouse thailand dosent order any APFSDS shell form ukrain
and in logic they already have license production 125mm and 105 mm APFSDS shell
they 105 mm spfsds license production form israel and 125mm form china
but no significant detail form the thailand army it self what license production model they got
it was a military secrete information but many one in army tech new and comunity incuse it to be
export version of DTC-10 in that call BTA-4 becouse they have only 1 model that export in 125 mm apfsds shell * thaiis why Oplot T got BTA 4 as they main shell
T-84 oplot M it an original vertion with out any significant modifi only use they normal Ukrain round 3BM42 “Mango” becosue Ukrain still dosent upgrade they tank for they newest shell 3BM42U1
/ it identical to 3BM60 form Russian but it it size to long to fit in original loading stysemin they tank
and becouse that war just began befor they new shell enter a poduction line
here is 3BM42U1
but some one in VK military comunity said thay can use this shell with hand reload
they new ukrain shell model line – 3BM44U1
as u can see how of 3BM44U1 long when compair to normal 3BM42 “Mango”
the black head was the 3BM42 “Mango” gray head was the 3BM44U1
Im pretty sure they all use the same autoloader. Im also pretty sure that bta 4 doesn’t actually fit into the t-80s autoloader from what i have heard.
I dont think they modified the autoloaders for the countries they went to. The oplot-t is literally almost the same except it gets different radios and air conditioning. The oplot-p is just made lighter so it has less of the armor.
So im pretty sure the oplot-m, oplot-t, and oplot-p use the same auto loader.
The gun and autoloader were not modified, so it is the same for Oplot-M/T/P models.
The only argument that could be made might be historical, where the Oplot-M/P when trialed wouldn’t have used BTA-4 which wasn’t owned by Pakistan at the time. However it is still a round that would be compatible without needing modifications (at least if we trust rumors that Thailand uses it with Oplot-T), which is the reason Gaijin added it in game.
The Oplot-T was not modified to use different ammunitions. All rumors saying they use BTA-4 with them are also saying that modification isn’t needed.
But these rumors are also unconfirmed, with the confirmed Thai service round being 3BM15.
