Don’t underestimate the toughness of human beings. They withstand .50 caliber bullets and when the vehicle they are in is hit, they don’t even flinch, continuing their work without wasting time.
Some great improvements for Challenger and Scimitar on Dev now thanks to community research, testing, and reports. This shows that real in-game changes do come from the CBR site.
Let’s hope that adding historical British APHE is being considered in the same vein.
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Though also an annoying amount of nagging.
Nagging on which subject?
Challenger 2 fixes.
Scimitar does get mentioned quite often but doesnt have a dedicated thread
True, though I think it’s better for CRVT to be considered together, which is why we have the CVRT series thread.
It really does take community will to keep a subject relevant enough to gain traction with the devs, the turnout on the CBR for CR2’s engine power report made it impossible to ignore.
I hope this thread and its associated bug report are able to gain even a fracion of the CR2 report’s energy.
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Completely unfair to nerf British tanks unnecessarily, give them their APHE. Why is it even a discussion Gaijin? Why do other tech trees get their normal ammo and not the British?
Because the British having anything good is against ToS.
Maybe due to ‘The Great Game’.
(/s)
AFAIK, we are not allowed to get Brimstone(SAL) on our AH-64E in the next update because
‘They have JAGM(IR/SAL) which acts the same’
:/
In the name of ‘Techtree uniqueness’
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Churchill Mk. VII being loaded up with AP and HE. Based on the appearance of the colouring, I reckon those AP rounds are fuzed M61.
Lt J Fothergill, B Squadron, 107th Regiment Royal Armoured Corps, 34th Tank Brigade, assists his gunner loading 75mm ammunition into the turret of his Churchill Mk tank, 17 July 1944. - IWM (B 7619)
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And Gaijin is going to say that they are all inert and just made of cardboard otherwise they couldn’t hold the rounds or some other BS to avoid giving us APHE
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Mix of 75mm and 17pdr ammunition. Not great quality but comparing the colours that looks like there could be some fuzed M61 in the lower-left pile.
Also, thanks to the wayback machine, I found this bug report from 2017 about this issue which gives yet more proof of the use of fuzed M61. - https://web.archive.org/web/20201112023714/https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/381445-id0062028-04oct2017-qf-75mm-mk-v-m61-rounds/
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It’s sad the old forum is entirely dead now. So many lost sources people were happy to share or actually viewable in the bug report section.
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We can collectively force them to bring back the OG forums. Most of the community will care about them
The content is most likely deleted, gone forever.
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there is a good reason why thats not the case, maybe certain list on wikipedia tells you why
I mean, people sharing classified documents is bad of course. But for most of the old forums lifetime these vehicles weren’t even in the game yet.
Another picture showing that unfilled M61 was already present at the US end of the supply chain.
British Ammunition Bulletins only refer to the M48 projectiles being robbed of their HE, with the perfectly useable casing and charge being topped with a replacement 75mm AP projectile.
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Looking back on this thread, this is a good point. A 1942 Sherman II has none of the later upgrades requested by the British, and is essentially a US-spec M4A1 with skirts.
A late model Sherman 75 with APHE, especially the prolific Sherman III, would be very welcome.
Hmm, unfortunately it does appear both M61 types were available in 1942. While the plate representative of M61 in the manual is definitely an inert round (black paint, white text) it does mention armour-piercing with high explosive is available under the painting and marking section.
Even the 75mm TM from 1941 has both shot and shell versions of M61. Seems pretty clear that the US produced both from before they even joined the war. So realistically any QF 75mm tank, regardless of year, should be able to fire them.
The issue of M61 APHE reliability should be addressed. Then again, this is an issue with nearly every APHE tank.
British testing on German 50mm APHE. 30 rounds, 6 detonations. In WT that’s 30 detonations. APHE damage is overperforming, so is the reliability.
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