Churchill Mk. VII being loaded up with AP and HE. Based on the appearance of the colouring, I reckon those AP rounds are fuzed M61.
Lt J Fothergill, B Squadron, 107th Regiment Royal Armoured Corps, 34th Tank Brigade, assists his gunner loading 75mm ammunition into the turret of his Churchill Mk tank, 17 July 1944. - IWM (B 7619)
And Gaijin is going to say that they are all inert and just made of cardboard otherwise they couldn’t hold the rounds or some other BS to avoid giving us APHE
Mix of 75mm and 17pdr ammunition. Not great quality but comparing the colours that looks like there could be some fuzed M61 in the lower-left pile.
Also, thanks to the wayback machine, I found this bug report from 2017 about this issue which gives yet more proof of the use of fuzed M61. - https://web.archive.org/web/20201112023714/https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/381445-id0062028-04oct2017-qf-75mm-mk-v-m61-rounds/
It’s sad the old forum is entirely dead now. So many lost sources people were happy to share or actually viewable in the bug report section.
We can collectively force them to bring back the OG forums. Most of the community will care about them
The content is most likely deleted, gone forever.
there is a good reason why thats not the case, maybe certain list on wikipedia tells you why
I mean, people sharing classified documents is bad of course. But for most of the old forums lifetime these vehicles weren’t even in the game yet.
Another picture showing that unfilled M61 was already present at the US end of the supply chain.
British Ammunition Bulletins only refer to the M48 projectiles being robbed of their HE, with the perfectly useable casing and charge being topped with a replacement 75mm AP projectile.
Looking back on this thread, this is a good point. A 1942 Sherman II has none of the later upgrades requested by the British, and is essentially a US-spec M4A1 with skirts.
A late model Sherman 75 with APHE, especially the prolific Sherman III, would be very welcome.
Hmm, unfortunately it does appear both M61 types were available in 1942. While the plate representative of M61 in the manual is definitely an inert round (black paint, white text) it does mention armour-piercing with high explosive is available under the painting and marking section.
Even the 75mm TM from 1941 has both shot and shell versions of M61. Seems pretty clear that the US produced both from before they even joined the war. So realistically any QF 75mm tank, regardless of year, should be able to fire them.
The issue of M61 APHE reliability should be addressed. Then again, this is an issue with nearly every APHE tank.
British testing on German 50mm APHE. 30 rounds, 6 detonations. In WT that’s 30 detonations. APHE damage is overperforming, so is the reliability.
Been playing Churchill VII quite a lot this update after the top speed boost, it’s opened up some ability to flank in combination with smoke. That said, I constantly find myself struggling to finish off enemy tanks (especially the glut of T-34/76, /57 and /85s found at 4.7) and longing for M61 APHE filler.
End this handicap, please!
Joke take: We need to rob the TARDIS to stop The Great Game for that buff.
Damn tech tree uniqueness.
“Solid AP is good enough, they traded stopping power for better penetration. We should not kill Tech Tree Uniqueness” they said.
And we look at M61 APCBC-HE and M61 APCBC-Rubbish.
Nerf Solid Shot and APDS you say?
Top tier air says Hi (there is no uniqueness beyond airframes)
Except it doesn’t, yaaaay…
True perk of UK TT: Being inferior to nations with APHE /j
Man, I am damn tired of 17pdr rationalising other solid AP problems.
“17pdr pen better than 76mm M1, so It is fine, and no Sherman A variants since copy paste is bad, if you want play sherman with 76mm L55, play US TT” and such.
Probably they wouldn’t even know that M61 APCBC of 75mm Mk.V shares exact same pen as M61 APCBC-HE of 75mm M3.
with solid shot if they just added spall ricochet it’d fix solid shot so much
hell even their shell statcard shows ricochets
Add spall riccoched to all and fix Aphe. Win win and realism.
This was one of those cases where the devs shouldn’t have asked the community anything; they should have fixed the APHE damage and that’s it, thus correcting the biggest imbalance and the biggest injustice (aside from the CAS insanity) in the game. It’s clear that some people don’t want it changed, and I find that understandable, just as it’s understandable that players who use cheats want to use them all the time and not get banned for it. But in these cases, the devs need to step up and fix this bug, because even if it’s not popular, it’s absolutely necessary.
There are too many psychotropic hallucinations in this game.
They want to compare the type of bullet, when the cannons are completely different. The only case I can think of where Full AP ammunition penetrates significantly more than APHE being the same cannon is the short 75mm Swedish cannons.
