Not the point, most of the tank does resist apds, so what he said that a ZBD can survive the 25mm is accurate.
Your own post proves that it isn’t immune to APFSDS, in fact, it literally shows how only the small portion of its UFP is immune; the same being so on the BMD-4…
by you showcasing this, you have proven my point that the BMD-4/4M is in fact onpar with the ZBD04A and thus they should receive a BR increased to justify they’re overperformance at BR 9.3
He didnt say that it is immune he said that the “Zbd04 can survive 25mm dart”, which is true as around 75% of the tank does resist the 25mm as the areas that hit the transmission are survivable shots.
It isnt really an “small” portion, the hull of this is pretty large and the bmd isnt the same in this regards as no part of the tank actually resist the 25mm apfsds, in fact you can pen the bmd 4 with a .50cal at short range…
It isnt, you keep having the apfsds, twice as many missiles far better protection and the LWS, with the apfsds it would be on par as you would only trade the mobility for the protection but as it is now it isnt on par.
I am pretty sure that this is on topic as im talking about the BMD4…
The BMD-4M can get APFSDS and move up. The others don’t need to.
Still good to have some 9.0/9.3 lineup IFV’s and not move them all up.
There’s a number of other later mod BMP-3 variants that can be added with APFSDS
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I really don’t understand why the BMD-4M doesn’t have the APDS-FS since it’s a 2015 version, while for example the BMD-4 event is from the initial versions, so it makes sense that it only has the APDS.
I also think that modern IFVs should be given more benefit when detecting enemies but should have their Br increased so they can fight with tanks of the same era, having larger maps so that IFVs have more flanking advantages.
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Yes, I agree with you mate. It is extremely annoying being in a unreactive early cold war vehicle just to get flanked by a hyper responsive IFV. Almost all IFV’s are undertiered imo
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I already mentioned it in another post, I find it more than pathetic that my Cheftain Mk 3 from the early 70s and a BMD-4M from 2017 are destroyed, and all because the developers, by restricting the size of the maps so much, allow themselves to face tanks from such distant eras.
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Its perfectly fine at 9.0
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It is definetly not fine at 9.0. I can tell without even looking at your account that you play ussr. Literaly every single good player i know says that its op. Now i gotta agree with you on one thing. It should not be the same br as the bmd4. But the bmd4 should be 9.3 either
I play every nation my dude. They’re both fine where they are.
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diabolical statement. bmp3 is NOT fine at 9.0. If you push it i can somewhat agree that bmd4 is balanced enough on 9.3. But zbd04 is identical to the bmd4. Only diffrence is it gets apfsds which is like 20mm more pen. Its 10.0. I just know you play the bmd4/bmp3 all day every day
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Now I get it
You have no idea what you’re talking about
BMP-3 is nothing like BMD
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come on bro 4hp/ton for a whole 0.7 br increse ?
Its not. APFSDS with much better angle modifiers, and twice the ATGMs.
Tradeoff its heavier, but with more horsepower, for a bit less low gear acceleration. But with similar forward transmission gears, they reach similar speeds at higher gears. And the ATGM doesn’t quite pen as much.
All in all, both are fine where they are currently.
If the BMD-4M also had APFSDS it could move up near the ZBD04A, but without it, they’re fine at 9.3.
I played them yesterday afternoon for fun, first time for the year
I also play against them regularly in my UK, France, Germany, Japan, Israel, Sweden and Italy 8.7-9.3 lineups.
They don’t need to go up in BR
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Sorry i have been judgemental about u playing bmd all day like a no lifer thats on me. But my point about the zbd still stands. It has apfsds yes. But it is also 10.0 so no shit ofc its better . My main issue with the bmp3 also comes down to br compression like literaly 90% of all issues in war thunder. Zbd cant face leo1. Bmp3 will get to bully 10x inferior things every single game.
It sees the same vehicles as every other 9.0 in the game.
If you want decompression, ask for decompression. But that means every 9.0 moving up with it at the same time, not just the ones you personally dislike.
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well the bmp3 is by far THE best ifv 9.0 so it stomps even harder than the rest
Not really, its pretty comparable in effectiveness to the Type 89
The Type 89 is one of my favourite light vehicles ingame
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I mean the atgm on the bmp3 is WAY better than the 89. pretty sure 89 gets a better gun and reverse so id says its fine i guess. I dont have the 89 so dont quote me on this but the 89s missiles dont really fly straight at first do they ? Also the main advantage of the bmp3 is that it fights paper armor nato tanks