It was reported already
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Gonna try to fix the grouped ERA thing, not sure if someone made such a report already.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/QDr7Q0iKSdbM
You have come across a CBR(Ralin) that is blatantly falsifying test results.
The shelling took place at an angle of 50 degrees👇
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even with 65 degrees the ERA is underperforming
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I have also had a discussion with him about the angle. According to Ralin the projectile was fired at a 50-60 degree angle and then changed to 70 degrees after encountering the ERA.
Firstly, there is no evidence of this, in my opinion, the supposedly higher angle seen in the residual penetration mark left on the armour is due to how deformed APFSDS (after encountering ERA) travels when encountering base armour.
See below:
See how in the end, you cannot tell the exact angle of the initial shot? It seems like the shot was fired at a higher angle than reality.
Secondly, even if the ERA did indeed change the angle of the projectile, why shouldn’t the resulting reduction in penetration from this change also be included in the ERA’s kinetic protection? Unfortunately it is impossible to get any report passed because the CM will not look at these issues in his logic.
I have also redone my calculations taking into account the 50 degree angle of firing (originally I had assumed the angle to be 60 degrees):
Spoiler
The ammunition used was 3BM42 at a distance of around 100m. Which gives us 500mm+ of penetration. (In game 3BM42 penetration at 100m is 524mm for a 60 degree angled plate, in real life the penetration at 100m is stated to be 550mm+)
After encountering Duplet ERA, the residual penetration was only 60mm on the normal, for a 50 degree LOS firing angle, this means 93.34mm of residual penetration.
500 - 93.34 = 406.66
~407mm of reduction in penetration of tungsten core APFSDS.
Percentage wise, ~81% reduction in penetration. Duplet is ridiculously effective against 3BM42.
NOTE: I have calculated this using 500mm as penetration figure for BM42, if we take the given real life penetration figure of 550mm, the penetration reduction is increased to 456.66mm.
However somehow the snail gods have decided that it only provides ~292mm of kinetic protection.
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If ERA would change angle it would be upwards not sideways, it is absolutely wild claim
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That guy used to just post all kinds of nonsense on the russian-language forum. Then he somehow became a volunteer, and they gave him mod so he could remove inconvenient posts from his opponents.
In my opinion, youre fighting windmills. The developers of this game have a deep-seated dislike both for that tank and for the people who made it. This dislike has been cultivated literally for decades and has already become a holywar. And youre trying to prove something to them with reports. But in the end, its’ still them who make the final decision, right?
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What are we even doing anymore?
“You have not provided evidence that the protection in these areas is lower than it should be.”
What? Their own model says two tiles should give 280mm combined. The groupings have 2+ tiles. What do I need to provide evidence for? Do we need to provide explanations like 140+140=280 and that 140mm is not equal to 280mm because that’s how numbers work?
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You need to provide them this, tho better take your own screenshots since my decals may trigger them, considering their aligence lmao
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Explain how an upward force pushed core sideways.
what a joke, why does every single japanese tech tree mbt lack protection that they would have irl. They should give you all your ammo stock as compensation if they are not going to rework them
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Video regarding the armour, watch if interested
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I should add that there are open sources with field tests of the Oplot, as well as the Relikt, Kontakt-5, and Duplex dynamic protection systems, and none of them correspond to the game.
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The stronghold has dynamic protection along the entire length of the hull on both sides.
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Leclerc and Abrams should not be able to penetrate even the first armor plate after “Duplet” at a firing range of 100 meters.
There is, for example, a Russian website with field tests, which you can translate if you want. I have translated part of the text and will post it here:
https://btvt.narod.ru/4/duplet.htm
Here is a small part of the text so that you don’t have to translate it.:
"The Duplex tandem dynamic protection system provides protection against 120 and 125 mm armor-piercing sub-caliber shells fired from cannons at minimum range. This was confirmed by tests conducted in the United Arab Emirates in 2003. The firing was carried out by a Leclerc tank using the OFL 120F1 BPS (analogous to the DM 43).
As a result of tests to determine the actual armor penetration of the 120 mm OFL 120F1 BPS, it was established that the armor penetration is within the range of 600-650 mm, which ensures the destruction of modern tanks when attacking from the front.
As a result of the tests, the armor penetration capability decreased by 100% and amounted to 0 (zero) mm in all experiments. During the tests, damage to the armor was observed in the form of a 15-20 mm deflection of the armor plate. No splits or cracks were found. The deflection of the armor is due solely to the kinetic energy of the projectile. Based on the results of the BPS 120 OFL F1 tests, it can be stated that protection is provided against similar projectiles M829A2, M829A3, DM53 developed in the USA and Germany.
In terms of protection against BPS, the tandem DZ “Duplet” surpasses all existing world analogues. For example, the most advanced Russian DZ “Relikt” currently provides protection against BPS M829A2 only at a distance of more than 1 km, which does not meet modern requirements, and the ERAWA-2 DZ developed in Poland does not provide protection even against outdated DM33 BPS."
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https://x.com/wuthi11_/status/2007703696617185771?s=46&t=LO_FPDatH9sIUE5hlB6NPA
Some cool new Oplot Footage (note the vertical drive speed)
Also images of Oplot have surfaced with cope cages
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It looks like you’ve just found where the Oplot’s storage compartment is.
Filled with hopes and dreams
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Haha.
Has anyone else noticed that the .50 cal is misaligned on the Oplot? It always shoots high and to the left.
When selecting the machine gun to fire it, you can see the reticle is not in the center of the screen.