Unfortunatelly it is useless to cope about actual protection since Gaijin went with Ralin’s guess-math on an unsourced photo with unknown test conditions.
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It’s Malachite not Monolite. I once saw somebody found papper on the test results of an unnamed ERA that, based on the information present in the papper(including images) it was recognized as Malachite. And the results were underwhelming. I will try to find it but won’t promise I’ll be able to, since it was long ago.
Found it, it’s from the Journal of the Federal University of B.N. Yeltsin
So it is actually a paper about simulations not exatly ERA test, but eventually a real life model with actual ERA was built and tested.
“remote sensing modules was manufactured” is actually googles bad translation for “equipped with RA modules”
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To be honest, this statement raises a lot of questions.
There is no explanation for this.
Wouldn’t it be 80% as effective as Duplet? Taking the 3BM42/DM33 row for reference, Duplet stands for 60% while Nizh – 50%, therefore Nizh module is 80% as effective (as per brochure) as Duplet’s. Idk how to word it properly, but essentially if we take Nizh protection value as a 100% (which is 50 against aforementioned rounds), then Duplet providing 10 more protection (which is 60) means it is 20% more efficent as 10 points are 1/5th of 50?
Given your well-documented and historic inability to accept any non-russian armour array as achieving it’s claimed values… you’d probably have lots of questions about anything that wasn’t made in Uralvagonzavod.
Electricity for example.
UVZ never made better tanks.
It always made cheaper and more cost-effective tanks (although that’s debatable, of course).
There’s no point in attributing to me something I didn’t say, or even something I clearly refute.
You didn’t even bother to read what I said above. There was nothing about UVZ or anything like that in my sentence.
The problem is that the manufacturer itself claims contradictory values.
You haven’t done any research, so you haven’t even heard about this.
“You haven’t done any research, so you haven’t even heard about this.”
You hear that folks? Ralin now has the ability to read people’s minds via the internet and tell what they do or do not do for a living! Any other magic tricks?
You don’t know a thing about what I’ve researched or otherwise.
You wouldn’t make the statements you do if you’d done your research.
Protection data varies several times over from year to year.
Personally, I’m wary when I see X protection in one place, 2 times Х protection in another, and 0.7 times X of protection in a third.
Which of the meanings is correct?
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The brochure is not for the real life versions of Duplet and Nizh that are currently in service.
Regardless, even if it’s 80%, the KE protection value of Nizh should be pretty high.
Yes there is contradictory info out there but I have based this analysis on a lot of what you yourself have said in the past.
Well I’ve got to try and put myself in your shoes for a moment.
If it’s from the Russian state and/or a Russian state enterprise then of course you will accept any and all figures given as if they are etched into stone tablets.
If it’s from a Western Source then you’ll either state it can’t be true or that it must be overestimated because such a thing doesn’t exist in Russia. Or indeed ‘it looks like Russian equivalent so it must be the same’. Igla and Stinger incident say hi.
Research is pointless if you are coming at it from a plainly biased starting point.
This is a lie.
It all depends on the consistency of the sources and their statements.
I’m telling you, you haven’t studied this issue and don’t understand how different the estimates are between Ukrainian sources.
Moreover, in the case of the Duplet, I believe the gameplay implementation is lagging behind.
In my opinion, the Oplot’s protection should be around 700mm from the kinetic.
Honestly, it seems like you just took the data from the Mikrotek presentation, where the difference between Duplet and Nizh is 10%, which in my opinion is too little, considering at least an additional 50 mm of steel
280mm protection by Duplet is without covers or fillers.
What do you think Nizh’s value for KE protection should be?
I don’t think that’s correct. No one discusses ERA protection without mentioning its key elements, which affect its effectiveness.
Again, the figure of 280 is based on data for the Duplet-2M; I don’t want to revisit that, since it’s constantly criticized as a “downgraded version.”
You mean hull?
Yes, a front view of the tank’s hull.
Well fair, but the covers and fillers between elements in the game are modelled separately and effect the projectile on top of the ERA protection. 15mm cover, ERA, 35mm structural steel, ERA.
I think 280mm, while being a nerfed figure, is a value we can use to estimate the value of Nizh. Both in Mikrotek and UAM Brochures Nizh is close to the effectiveness of Duplet, be it 80% or 90%. I don’t think at least the value of Nizh should be lower than 240ish mm. And if we ever see corrected Duplet values closer to 340-360mm, then Nizh should be modelled to have above 300mm KE protection.