Cost and bullshit is what cost the Brits in military tech.Getting a contract is not about how good the kit is it’s about who went to Eton with who and whether you played Rugby for Ox-bridge
Oddly enough it was the same nepotism that stopped the Germans getting a nice T34 copy and taking the Panther.Even as the Russians were pounding on the door greed and the old school tie was making decisions for the Nazi’s.
I saw ajax in the flesh and it looks promising, I love warrior and have even driven in one so if its even a slight improvement over that it will be a success despite the idiots in parliament wasting time
They used to say that best you could hope for with the Chieftain was that when it broke down and it would, that it conked out in a favourable firing position.
Even the multi fuel was semi bullshit.It took days to convert it from one fuel to another.
Leyland engine was a duffer.More cost cutting.Hoping good crew will take up the slack as usual.
I am unfortunately not British (Still commonwealth), so I did not get to see Ajax being shown off. But it looks like a neat little IFV, though would have been better to just upgrade the warrior to my mind. Warrior was a snazzy little machine.
Mainly what I was getting at. Was a great tank, until you had to get it somewhere.
Best tank on the planet until you had to use it.
Ajax is here to protect us all in the Commonwealth. Warrior wouldn’t be up to it in 20 years even with the Lockheed turret that was designed for it. a replacement was necessary
Too big and with zero stowage space from what I have heard.Huge development problems. Cant see Labour going for it.Imagine that soon we will build nothing and buy everything from the US and see the British MPs shares in Black rock soar even higher.
I was reading about this the other day and what ex sqauddies had to say about it .https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/ajax-the-‘not-the-cr2-upgrade’-thread.286942/page-598
i cant see the least voted for government in our countries history doing anything good mate.
I grew up with squaddies and they are resistant to change and upgrades quite often.
I agree but none of our Governments have protected our inventive industries.
We are simply losing the skills.I doubt anybody knows how to mine,produce steel or engineer half the stuff we need.We have no electricians or carpenters.Nobody wants to take an apprenticeship any more in trades.They all want to doss at uni doing media studies or lounge on the dole.
We will have a UK line up of pure copy paste in this game in five years.The UK will make nothing.We will buy it all.
Welcome to American influence. Australia already buys most our rubbish from the US in spite of the fact we would be better served by other suppliers. Same will happen to the UK, regardless the government.
Arguably even challenger would serve us better than what we’ve got on the armour front. Still, Abrams is cheap and half the time you’re paid to take them.
with certain phenomena which isnt appropriate to a war thunder forum as its nothing to do with the game (hint: it started with Tony Blair), there isn’t going to be anyone to even buy American because there wont be the money or country left.
British industry died long ago, where I live did in the 60s when unions got too powerful, whats left is owned by Chinese and indian investors now. doesn’t matter if the skill is being lost as it already was independantly lost
Australia has the potential to do it on its own too, shame
Wow you all really went offtopic
three anglos walk into a bar
Unions were the only thing to save your nation, if you had a different government. There are plenty of things to blame for the UK’s failure but most comes from Tory governance strip mining your nation and failing to encourage home growth, not unions. Industry was dead the moment it was stripped, and sold to foreign territory instead of implementing effective labour laws. Certainly didn’t help you lot legged it from the economic bloc that kept you afloat in a world dominated by the US. Similar thing occurred here under a similar party, just we didn’t have an economic bloc that kept us afloat and just had to wear the hurt.
Now under the thumb of the yanks. But it’s an easier narrative to blame unions tbch.
i live on the docklands in london, it was a very different mess to the more famous miners strikes and such.
Unions benefit everyone, when they’re supported and encouraged in industry. Regrettably, when they aren’t encouraged it can lead to strife amongst the working class, and it does disincentivise business when appropriate laws to support unionionised work are neglected (or in the case of the UK, hollowed out). But it is an awfully complicated topic that’s just easier to write off and blame.
Tories wanted to sell British assets and unionised workplaces wouldn’t have helped that, now the UK’s where it is and no party the UK picks will push for unions because it isn’t profitable and what’s left to unionise that wasn’t already sold to the highest bidder.
when unions get too much power they can tear it all down, it was all a terrible mess that I hate happened because I know if it was even slightly different, there would be consistent work where I am
This is generally inaccurate for the most part. Unsupported unions that are ran poorly can cause havoc, but it’s a rarity. If your nation didn’t push to vilify unions it likely wouldn’t have ended up going how it did, as I said, it is much harder to sell unionised businesses out from under the workers. But with all things, there are always points where it falls flat. In the case of Britain, much of this comes from labour laws being hollowed out to make things easier to sell and to make forming unions generally much harder to do effectively. Had a government with actually sane policies regarding organised labour been in power, Britain likely would have been one of the stronger places for organised labour.
Some unions fail because of pricks leading them, but it is more often than not influenced by outside forces. Unions without power tend to be used as a scapegoat for a poor economic situation, as there was naught they could do in the long run. This is more often than not incentivised by goverments similar to the Tories, which means that Unions are a hell of a lot easier to blame, and a hell of a lot less effective at pushing for workers rights.
But this is a topic that requires far more background than I can provide off the top of my head half asleep.
and with this im going to peace out of the conversation because I just wanted to roast the same Teaboo in a second thread for complaining about his heavy tank not being invincible. not become a politics discussion. apologies to the moderators