i played a fair bit of germany but couldn’t take the abysmal teams beyond 6.7, APHE is so easy in comparison to solid shot its stupid.
A lack of trust in gaijin will never change but we cant ignore that a lot of people know and saw APHE having the chance of having accurate splash as a nerf because they cant just one shot a cupola anymore
it spalls a fair amount, not as much as it probably ought to but its still quite punchy with a good aim
Yeah I haven’t played an APDS slinger in a long while. Its not APFSDS levels of spall but enough that landing a good hit could easily take out a tank
From what I can see from solid shot it in itself does nothing post pen except cause spalling. The Shot itself does not seem to whizz around inside the tank post pen.
I might be wrong.
The way it passes through soft skin vehicles is odd as well.
I saw a film of somebody firing solid shot from a Sherman into a pick up truck and it was a mess.
Raising its speed would arguably make it worse at times, The Suspension on the Prince is very unstable.
And one of the main benefits is its ability to fire on the move quite well, If it was made faster it would be a bouncy mess that would be horrible to shoot unless you came to a dead stop. Which would give the enemy a chance to aim properly and disable you.
I admire your passion for an English tank and English engineering. British people are dreadful piss takers and have a self mocking humour. All we can do is joke about much of the equipment we are asked to fight in and British cars.
I really can’t see why the BP would come down.I am sure like many you are good with it.You know how to squeeze the best from the vehicle and not make it something it is not meant to be.It will play at 5BR quite often as well.
I find it to be a tricky opponent especially now so many maps are narrow with few flanking opportunities.
I think when it goes to 7BR we are all screwed in our WW2 heavies what ever nation.
It’s high time to send the black prince back to 5.7 , his armor does not exist against German guns due to right angles, even a diamond does not save because of the 152 mm turret. but even this is not the reason for sending 5.7, but the damn m109, which push through any projection with fugas and destroy it with one fugas.my suggestion is to take away the penetration from sv mk 1 and send it to churchill 7 on 4.7,I do not understand why churchill 7 on 4.7 with overhead protection but without penetration, and black prince on 6.0 without armor and with a point projectile against fugas and fast equipment, with piercing projectiles
Up to 6.7 it goes…
But also, source on the test? And the armor?
No change will happen to the armor if you don’t bug report it with sources.
Where can I find more info about this?
Exit: @FlipAllTheTables LMAO, I commented before I saw your post. Funny how we both latched onto the same thing in this entire thread. :)
I know is Battleships grade steel because the Black Prince’s armor plates were too big for Vauxhall to press out them selves, so they sent a order off to a ship yard to make all the plates for the prototypes, Using the same manufacturing techniques that went into Battleship armor.
The Surface hardened thing is just common knowledge, basically every British tank during WW2 had surfaced hardened armor, they were the Pioneer of the technology.
As for the Live fire tests, id have to try and find the source for them, I’ve read about it in a book at SOME point, but have not a clue what book.
What you’ve stated is interesting, but is not a source. You are simply stating things but have not provided actual evidence.
The only tanks I’ve ever heard of using surface/face hardened armor during WW2 were German ones. Searching online I’ve find nothing about British WW2 tanks using such armor. The only information I’ve found related to British surface/face hardened armor comes from WW1 tanks, so you might very well be right about them being the pioneers of this technology, but as far as I can tell they simply did not use it in WW2.
The only thing I’ve read once is that on British tanks with rivetted armor, the outside plating is harder while the inner frame that supports the armor plates is softer.
But this is not the same as surface/face hardened armor, where is a singular plate of armor, rather than two, where the front/face has a higher hardness than the rest of the armor plate. Additionally, I don’t even know to what extent the difference in hardness is true. Most of what I’ve seen points towards the frame being of very soft steel while the armor itself has normal hardness compared to the RHA of other nations.
Additionally, the usage of penetration/protective caps (the C in APCBC or APC) effectively countered the effects of face hardened armor. This is because this type of armor works by trying to shatter the projectile before it hits the rest of the softer, more absorbant armor, while the protective cap works precisely to prevent such shattering by pretty much acting as a cushion, which made face hardened armor no better than normal RHA, potentially even worse. Seeing as almost every single German armor piercing round of WW2 is either APCBC or APC, I doubt that face hardened armor would’ve provided any meaningful advantage.
I second this. face hardening fell out of fashion quickly
With the VE day sales I decided to grab myself the Black Prince and its a incredibly hit or miss vehicle, in downtiers you’re competent but in HEAT slinging uptiers you’re pretty redundant and furthermore a weight for the team.
The mobility is absolutely atrocious but it trades mobility for armour at least - oh wait, everything can penetrate you at around 6.0 anyways? Well the gun has good penetration at least right? No, APDS loves to shatter and has incredibly mediocre angled penetration.
The biggest kicker is the fact the Churchill VII at 4.7 has VERY similar armour profile to the Black Prince, yet one sits at 6.0 and the other 4.7. This thing could and should move down to 5.7, the turret armour is mediocre for a heavy tank at 6.0 and the hull armour is average at best.
My advice for people? Don’t purchase the Black Prince, go for something like the British M10 which is on-sale for a decent price and is lowkey overpowered at 3.3.
That is impossible to be true… Shell Shatter is a direct nerf of APDS and you played when that was added.
Honestly, if there EVER was a Argument for a Fake tank to be added to the game, its the Upgraded Black Prince with the Meteor engine.
At least with that 600hp engine it would be capable of around 21mph.
And its not like its entirely fake, the Process to upgrade it was already started on I believe Black Prince #3, and the plans exist for the Upgrade. So its not like its something that was just a crackpot idea.
APDS 17 pounder warrants the 1.3 BR increase.
Identical armor, different weapons: M4 Sherman vs Sherman Vc.
And the Black Prince is more mobile than the Churchill VII at that.
The Black Prince remains one of the best 6.0s in the game.
Having turret armor usually only see on 6.3 and 6.7 heavy.
The Black Prince remains one of the best 6.0s in the game
No it doesn’t lol
That same exact gun is on 2.7s…
The APDS doesn’t work properly, And the armor is actually WORSE than the Mk7s.
The turret has worse Armor modifiers, making it far weaker. The mantlet has a Effective thickness, with the screwed up modifiers, of like 140mm. Meaning 76mm Shermans and PZIVs can pen it up close. (hell ive been penned and killed by a 76 Sherman at nearly a km so)
And saying that the BLACK PRINCE is more mobile than a tank 10 tons lighter, with the same engine… HA!
@Heavytanker1945
And the Leopard 2A5 uses the same exact gun as on 8.3s.
Your point?
Black Princes reverse speed actually exists, but you wouldn’t know this unless you played it or did research prior to posting.
@TPS_Hydra post ragebaiting me with false accusations.
If the Black Prince was anywhere close to bad it wouldn’t be my average KMR and KDR among heavy tanks.
Good armor, great APDS round, meta reload, best mobility of the Churchill platforms due to having an actual reverse gear.
I gotta defend Black Prince from blatant misinformation.
