Yeah 57 mm like a panzer III from ww2, totally capable of destroying a whole ass m60 like nothing. What can i say, your common sense probably went to shit
learn reading comprehension.
57mm stays a big cannon for a reason, the 2S38 still uses 57mm as well. its a big enough caliber that it just has enough penetration which you dont seem to understand it just does not compare to the typical below 35/40mm autocannons. The bigger the cannons the stronger they are.
Lemme tell you a secret 130mm /140mm are stronger then 120mm as well.
Doesnt mean that 120mm become obsolete
I don’t even want to continue this debate since you treat me like I’m some kind of idiot, ok highly intelligent one you won, 57 mm autocannon should be able to delete heavily armored mbts from the front with just a few shots, i repeat, with just a few shots, and from distance too, because that what it is apparently according to gaijin
great you are understanding your own mistakes and that an M60 with a weak mantlet or turret ring and a giant cupola weakness can easily be taken out frontaly if you know what you are doing like it is the case with every tank
Personaly i recommend you to look trough gameplays where those ZSU 57 did actualy shoot you since they dont penetrate the chassis frontaly besides the turret ring
You are such a clown that has no capacity of understanding the logic of words and distorted others’ meaning. What I have said is that 20mm apds is the minimum level to have menace to light armored vehicles. It is you that suggested the purpose we claim for apds is to use it mainly against mbts. You are a shameless machine that never stops distorting or sophistry.
Also, it is your skill issue that fears using a mbt in front of 20mm apcr. And you have taken the wrong example, because Leopard 1 is famous for its role more as a light armored vehicle rather than mbts, it has worse side armor than many light armored vehicles, so if apds can penetrate its side, there’s nothing surprising, and this is also true for any mbts that is designed at the start with the ignorance of side defense, so they ought be able to be penetrated by anti-light-armored guns’ apds. No skill of any levels can make 20mm apcr useful, this is the objective fact determined by the game mechanics.
It is the 20mm apds that is chosen as defaut choice for eliminating light armored vehicles. This is the principle written in every army’s guide manual. It is again you can say ridiculous conclusion such as “it is apcr that is used for shoot at light vehicles, not the apds”. By saying this, you are suggesting 20mm apds is used against higher-armored targets, which is just your false imagination.
What a miserable guy you are, living only in your imaginary world, living only with your stupid bias.
womp womp
and once again your skill issue showing that the 20mm isnt supposed to be used against mbts in general. you not understanding basic game mechanics is realy sad.
they are meaned as auxilary tools nothing more. On the vehicles like marder 1a3, wiesel the similar autocannons are specialy used for flanking.
Stop trying to force your vehicles into roles they arent meaned to do and maybe you will see success
and once again not understanding basic concepts of balancing sad days
oh not miserable, i am having fun seeing you guys completly disregarding basic game concepts and not understanding the most basic thing and only yapping without proving anything in the first place
You have said nothing new but just repeated your false imagination which is against the proven game data and real life. You have serious skill issue in dealing with confronts against 20mm apds, that’s all your reason for staying biased.
ah yeah cause there is 20mm ammunition which penetrates mbt from the front to begin with, everything the apds penetrates the hvap will penetrate as well pretty much. you just arent supposed to shoot against mbt against it to begin with since it will do nothing. cant be afraid of sth that doesnt hurt me to begin with. You are hallucinating a bit there buddy.
It mainly effects how strong it is against other lights and how fast it takes them out trough the better after penetration effects.
But you just dont understand that they are not supposed to be a do all weapon agains mbts with their main cannon and against lights with the 20mm
You clearly didnt understand anything i am saying, not like i said its a auxilary weapon to take out tracks /barrels etc and doesnt penetrates mbts frontaly . but mimimi french suffering i guess
But sure if thats what makes u sleep at night believe i am so afraid of the sucky french autocannon with that slow rate of fire
You should go to visit a doctor to check your brain, “20mm apds can penetration mbts’ front”, this is what you say? “as long as apds can penetrate, apcr will do too”, you don’t even know how bad apcr is at penetration, there’s huge difference between apds and apcr. However, since you are a big noob, you can’t understand this, so I’m not going to waste my time on you fool, you are 10000km far from knowing how to play this game.
sure buddy, try gaslighting, maybe at one point u understand the basic balancing and reading comprehension
apcr is worse in the aspect that it does badly against angled armor i am very well aware, thats why you are supposed to flank or shoot at weakspots that arent angled. Like i said auxillary weapon against tracks and co, like i said multiple times but dont understand because you have the reading comprehension of a 4year old. But against the enemies where the apcr penetrates and where it is necesary apds and apcr work the same. Just cause of balancing factors which u seem to ignore in general it is only supposed to be AUXILLARY , just that you are apparently not getting that
and maybe at one point u wont be a sheldon anymore which requires a giant sarcasm note
sarcasm
and i am gonna stop seriously now, talking about to you is so useless since you dont even understand balancing for one.
time to let it die, nothing happening either way if i stop writing and sleeping well that you can continue suffering since u dont understand the job of those 20mms
SPAA should only have HE.
That would make SPAA more useless than they are.
If that change was made, gaijin would need to make it easier to spawn/leave spaa without any punishments.
perhaps, but with AP they are indeed too overpowered. We have light tanks to use autocannons and stuff and then there are SPAA, with much cheaper spawn, equally powerful autocannons yet modern ones can also shoot down planes with ease with their electronics. They should be limited in anti-tank purposes imo
Yeah why not?