Bradley is literally plastic, TOW is ass right now the moment you launch it goes straight to the ground.
I can’t say anything about PUMA because i don’t have it but from several matches i’ve fought against it i can say its pretty mediocre without SPIKES.
None of these you mentioned do not have the luxury of +200mm of APFSDS, it can do a great job when it comes to CAS (killing helis from their spawn) and none of them have UAV, thermal comm sight, proxy, apfsds, aphe, ess, smokes, lws/lrf, gen 3 thermals and autoloader.
As i said 2S38 at 10.7 can perform good, staying away from 10.0,9.7.
there should be barrier between technological generations seeing each other, A tank that was made for ww2 combat shouldnt see ATGMs just as late props should be separated almost entirely from jets (other than the really bad early jets, but they should be hard limited to 7.0, Its also really unfair for meteors and ME262s to face Mig 15s and sabres so decompress the hell out of there gaijin. modern artillery like Vidar and M109 shouldnt see anything older than a 1960 vehicle either its genuinely unfair.
2s38 can do near everything, track aircraft, beat mbts to death through spamming APFSDS and is faster than most things. it shouldnt be able to see the challenger 1, first abrams or leopard 2a4 because it beats them all with ease.
We need massive decompression and some limiters on what rank certain vehicle types can appear.
A 2S38 is a Vietnam era gun with a type of APFSDS the Swedes made decades prior on a platform made in 1987.
The most modern part of the 2S38 is the thermal generation which Americans made in the late 1990s.
The 2nd most modern part of it is the IR tracking which IDK what year specifically it was made in, but it’s also on 8.3 SPAA so… can’t be too new.
Proxy round? Vietnam.
Laser range finder? Early 1980s at the latest.
M-109? Literally a 1930s gun in a mobile platform, no different to the WW1 howitzer in a tank: KV-2.
Vidar? A 1950s gun with a thermal viewer and laser range finder.
The only argument he answered is the bradley’s armour, but in counterpar, it’s way better than the one we find on the 2S38 (M3A3 Bradley). They have APFSDS, Commander Sight, APHE, Smoke, UAV, Gen 2 Thermals in the Bradley and the Puma got 3rd Gen Thermals.
Sorry, I forget to mention the Begleitpanzer, it’s the same thing, but with I-TOW, and gen 1 thermals, and at 9.3, the only thing it doesn’t has are smoke granades.
Bradley’s armor is dogshit, 2 crew in the turret which makes it vulnerable to everything, it gets spall liners which they’re absolutely hilarious and they do not improve its survivability whatsoever.
Far inferior to the one in the 2S38.
Still worst than Gen 3.
In conclusion, 2S38 does not have any crew in its turret which is a good thing, if it flank the enemy it can vaporize them all (neither the Bradley nor the PUMA got that luxury)
I don’t own it but see some of them tanking HEAT. M3A3 is worse with the gun, but have the I-TOW, For the crew members, I can agree, it’s one shot kill, the same as 2s38 I dare to say. M3 Bradley is worse than it but still capable of do the work.
Puma doesn’t have crew on it’s turret, +Puma can take ammo racks without explode, and the 2S38 ammo racks if you hit the lower armour of the turret.
I agree with that, it’s the most reasonable BR for it, but the guy that I was answering to, suggested it to be at 11.7 that’s just absurd.
Well, you have 2 options there - TOW-2B and TOW-2A. TOW-2A is tandem-charge and it’s pen is enough to pen frontal armor of most tanks. What about TOW-2B… idk if it works as intended, but it is good option too.
Good point by the way, agree too.
I have used it at top tier a lot. What I can say: 3UBM22 doesn’t have good spall and spall liners fully negate it’s damage, mobility is mediocre - everyone is faster than you or side by side with you (and I’m not even talking about MBT’s), it’s SPAA capabilites works only against helicopters that spawned on nearest spawn point, most of the time you just catch Maverick or Spike.
This vehicle is like jack of all trades, but master of none. It can receive BR change, but I’d rather see expanding ground BR’s, like Gaijin did to aircraft - then it would be balanced.
at 10.0 is nuts, enemy 2s38 holding A cap zone alone on Maginot because no one wants to rush him into these CQC because if they do they die due autocannon, then he gets 5 airkills killng 2 Tornados going at mach 1, 2 F-111 and 1 Mi-24P 4km away.
the spaa capabilities on this thing should be nerfed if its gonna stay at 10.0