The 12.7 MiG-29s should trade their R-27ERs for R-73s

says the guy who thinks the F-4S is overpowered
have you even played the MiG-29?
Here are your stats

if you are below average according to statshark you shouldn’t be saying anything.

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how that SMT FM be feeling like to fly tho
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It’s losing its best missiles though? MiG-29G is 13.0 with R-27ER (best SARH in the game) and R-73; losing R-27ER for 12.7 is fair.

It NEVER had R-27ER.

You realize that supports my point even more?

If I am really below average as you say, then I help add to the diversity of people giving opinions.

Theoretically if you only let the top players voted, lots of vehicles would be unplayable because they have a high skill celling but also high skill floor so most people cant perform well with them.

Not when the aircraft is considered mid at best in its current loadout… the 4x r73 and 2x r27r loadout is only slightly better than the 2x magic 2 and 2x 530d loadout the mirage 2k gets at a lower BR.

Sounds like an extremely goofy unneeded band aid fix

I agree with this.

not really, you are limiting player freedom yes but realistically the ussr was not flying mig29s with only IR

So an equal missile to the r73 at a lower BR, and its just as flarable as the r73 is?

No? Because the M2KCS4 is much more comparable to a 29 than the F1C?

Ignores their acceleration/time to target advantage within their range over the 9M/R73

What? Says you?

No?

besides all the other aircraft it still shares a BR with that are better than it?

no they’re not, the only limitation they have is 2 less IR missiles but they are also better in a LOT of other ways to the 29 including being a lower BR in the CS4’s case.

So the R73 is also easily defeatable by your own statement… so its fine to add!

No, it isn’t.

What? What altitude do you think it should be tested at??

Why???

So you kill AFK bots? Congrats

Oh YOU’RE the guy who wastes 6 missiles to get 1 kill! tbh it makes sense

mig29 is a laughable enemy to face. You can notch the 27er easily bc of hot doo doo the radar is and after that its just a free kill. Most of the time they will have fired their 27ers when you fight them so it makes it even easier to kill them. They have 2 missiles and nothig else. No fm no good ir missiles no nothing. Its just fast and has r27ers

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The only thing dangerous about a 29 is the r27er and once you can account for that, the plane is mostly food.

Most of the time I go high to bait them to fire the 27ers. They fire both and I notch both easily. Then they jsut j out to not give me the kill. This happened like 7 diffrent times.

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Couldn’t agree more. After i got F-16ADF i have absolutely zero reason to even look at the sadness that is MiG-29A. Kinda shame that i will loose it soon because 13.3 isn’t the most fun place to be at with 45 countermeasures but oh well. Gonna get F-16AJ if anything. For MiG-29 with R-73s not to be overshadowed by Su-27 we really need decompression from 12.3 and above, otherwise it will shit on anything at downtier like Hornets currently do, just way more annoyingly.

Issue of br compression fr. The r73 mig29 is th german one sitting at 13.0 At that br the flankers get more missiles. Better missiles. Better rwr (su33 only)

don’t forget better countermeasures, better radar (not the best in absolute values but still much better at holding lock and guiding the ERs), better fuel economy, better handling.

you are a bad player, you do not have the experience to know what is balanced and what isn’t
You have no proof that you know what you’re doing, so all your experience is based on skill issues and personal bias. It’s like a 10-year old trying to tell an F-1 driver what lines they’re supposed to take on the track.

Vehicles should not be balanced based on bad players, that is the reason why many premiums are undertiered (J-7D, Turm 3 and many more) that makes them way too powerful and easy to abuse by good players

IRCCM missiles are not that hard to counter anyways, especially R-73s

I can comment on what I think. Your F1 analog is good. A F1 team consists of many different disciplines, and not many of them are good drivers. But they know something about what makes winning possible, so their knowledge sums up.

Indeed, I think there should be a expert team working on balance. But said expert team should not be biased towards the very top players.

Balancing around bad players create the F8F. Supreme airframe.
Balancing around good players create the Kfir Canard. Supposedly good airframe, but useless for 99% of people, so they only use it as a bomb runner, which includes me.
Balancing around pure performance stats in SL earning, regardless of player skills, create the F-104S at 11.3 that is ONLY at its BR because it earns a lot through bombing.

I definitely think r-27r is better than 530d, you can’t out roll it easily like you can a 530d.

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r-27r is the worst out of the modern sarh missiles in terms of range kinematics, but makes up for that with its close range performance and seekerhead.

brother… the only way to get high probability of kill with missiles at those ranges are only with the 54 family… every other missile including most fox 3s are trash at those ranges. Shooting that far out is almost wasting a missile imo. ESPECIALLY with the mirage 2k radar that is hdn only, its far too easy to notch that thing. at least with something with an r27r or 7p you can relock