Please don’t attempt to put words in my mouth, we’ve had words about this before.
The weapons performance is fundamental. It’s not an engine randomly detonating (chieftain), or a transmission exploding (lots of late war German vehicles)
This is an issue of accuracy. All weapons have accuracy values which gaijin attempt to match to real life values and this should be no different.
The 17pdr accuracy is significantly worse than lots of other vehicles as it should be and this is no different.
you can see how many ° the barrel move each shot though, and see where it points the second shot
Not allowed to post the video as it shows the faces of soldiers in a current conflict, as such I’ll use screenshots from it. (Its very easy to find though)
This is a BMP-2M btw, which has the same issue as BMPT.
Except if they are modern western autocannons. Those underperform
Because every weapon in game has accuracy values.
If you want to pretend that a gun which shakes like an alcoholic before their first drink of the day is going to be accurate that’s on you, but the rest of us have to conform to physics.
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Didn’t they have to weld a bracket on the ka helicopters as the gun barrel was slamming into the fueselage?
The bmp-2 should be far less accurate than it is in game, and the bmpt should be far, far worse.
I’ll bet anything that when they implement it in the game, they won’t give it the horrendous accuracy of the cannons that the vehicle has in reality.
Source?
Vehicle performance is fundamental as well.
Imagine a vehicle that can barely move without it’s transmission imploding, that thing won’t do much harm to the enemies in that state.
Both accuracy and mobility can be harmed by design flaws.
If you want that to be a thing for accuracy you should want that for mobility as well, of course if you aren’t biased towards something.
Selective realism isn’t good, right ?
At least that’s what @AspectOfTheRAGE said.
If the most accurate helicopter-mounted gun can get away with wobbling so much there’s no reason why the BMPT can’t be the same
Same BR as the Puma by the way…
HQ 11 !!! nice
Uhm no, it’s physics. The muzzle brakes are directing the blasts against each other causing the guns to shake.
Can you see my recent messages?
Yes, but that’s not what we’re talking about is it.
Transmission failure is a stochastic mechanical breakdown, which isnt modelled in game for anything.
The bmpts gun issues are a feature of the weapon. It’s a consistent, reproducible aspect of the weapon not a random transmission detonation somewhere between 1 and 200km down the road.
Asking for it not to be present is like asking for early sparrows to track off the rail, or for early panzer iv tanks to have faster turret traverse or the 9040c stabiliser to work at 100kph.
War thunder doesn’t model random failures, but it does model inherent weapon behaviour.
Stop avoiding me. Tell me why the ka52 gets away with so much gun wobble and why the BMPT can’t do the same
Russians can easily mount a dual feed gun. They chose not to. They are not stupid. If that is a serious design flaw they would have chose a dual feed gun
You can’t really talk about one without talking about the other, that is if you want to keep it fair.
Yes, selective realism has been going on for years and was apparently never a problem.
And your power train exploding is a feature of certain vehicles.
Design flaws that made this possible will make the problem reproducible as well, which is how the problem has been picked up to begin with lol.
Strawman at its best.
The weapons’ accuracy is horrendeous even under perfect conditions and without mechanical failure.
The panther transmission/engine examples are just that; mechanical failures, yet they’re modelled under their ideal conditions without such.
This is not what anyone here is refering to for the BMPT’s dispersion - It is horrendous under ideal conditions and without mechanical failures.
Once again, to give an example to illustrate how stupid that argument is - it’s essentially like saying
“Oh the Tornado’s flight model should be made way better than it is irl, because its only so bad because of design-flaws. If they didnt make these design-flaws they would have a F-16 instead, so thats what it should perform like”