Just wrong
Not reliable pens though
0.7 BR diffrence, by that logic the Leopard can be penned everywhere when we look at the PL or 2a4m
Again can’t really pen the turret much, aka hull down
Not the top tier tank of russia, by that logic lets look at the armor of the 2a4m and not the 2a7
not exactly, i usually destroy china like this with my Challenger.
well mostly reliable. Unpens with Leo there are unusual
was 0.3 for about what, three years?
Yes, they are exactly glass cannons)
idk, maybe it cant now, but back in the day it wasnt a problem.
again, it became one just recently
glass cannon, no doubt.
As USSR can easily pen anything from 9.3 to 10.3, the Germans are superior in that with their 2a6 and 2a7 at 12.0 (but decompression did a good job to make some of the machinery separated tho)
And? now it’s not. by that logic lets compare the mbt2000 to 10.7 tanks and even better, the pgz09 to 8.0-7.7 spaas
you are the biggest germany fan boy i have ever met. the only good thing about the Leos is DM53, it stops there, weak armor, weak optics, worse mobility then most of top tier, longer reaload then anything then t-72 loaders and when no loader the worst in the game
tho it was 10.7 for like two months? And the leo was several years with abrams.
I mean, now its okay - 2a6 has 12.7, 1a1hc has 12.0, meaning they arent exactly equal. Thats what i like about new brs.
Im not, im their most hater. I dont appreciate the OPness of their techs r*ping my challengers and 72s
Not exactly? especially after 2a7
uuuuugh can you tell what`s weak about it?
not most, just cant outrun fastest ones
the only thing that makes me feel good is that they keep their reload untoched and the T-80s get and T–90 get buffs this update
exactly. They should nerf it even more just to justify its strenghts.
it was 11.0 for a long time
Well you said the chinese ufp was bad, the leos are even worse
Worse then chinese, french, japanese, russians (no reverse though)
the .1 second for the t90 lmao
tho it was 10.0 at start (i bought one from tech tree to accompany my premium 96a(p), so not exactly the point to make)
Chinese is bad as its small. 2a7 ones are much and much bigger
Im sorry, english is my second language so i struggle to understand. Do you mean that 2a6-2a7 moves LESS fast than chinese, french, jap and USSR? I mean i can argue with chinese, but it sure does fly faster than t-90s and t-72s (t-80s are faster tho) and i didnt really notice the Leclerc being much faster, but that can just be me. Japs and T-80s really do outrun it. But challys? Arietters? Merkavas? T-72s?
Even abramses with additional armor.
xD but an entire .4 for 80s!
just worse mobility, top speed is not all
But it can’t get penned, the only part on the 2a7 that can’t get penned is the vary low part of it.
Don’t worry it’s my second too
i meant mobility, yes
2a7 has good protection tho
that`s hard or unable to pen in places that result in damage. And most places are unreliable asf. Especially from some weaker rounds
At work atm, ill get back to that once home
Okie :3
I like the conversation
I remade the thing you just made
Green = more or less safe shot
Pink = risky shot but you can take it if u have no better option
red = don’t shoot there never
Edit: the purple box on the middle of the left turret cheek should only go to around the middle horizontally, imagine it starts at the breach and ends at the middle
This entire part of the lower plate can be penned btw
Did you just notice that now? its been like 12 years, its always been like that XD.
I see. I never actually shot the leopard to the left cheek so im not sure if (with the updated info from you) is penetratable or not, but i disagree with the red boxes on the LFP. Depending on ammunition, the red box may be either that or as on mine picture. The M1s maybe are able to pen that easilly (tho stll the green box must be lower than the bolt line on the armor), but the others, USSR or Britain for example, are known tonot pen it, something like that:
(i used blue to make it visible), And the remainig green is a safe shot to pen, however shots there are risky because they can deal little damage to no damage at all
it is pennable better with better shots like 829a2. But not with the worse types like L27A1, and still they cant pen it easilly if shoot close to bolt line on the nose of 2a7
Tho 2a6`s hull is easilly penetrated with all 12.7 shots
I checked with a 125mm gun, so less pen but more post pen. So might be a easy pen for a 120mm. 125 its risky
I actually tested it and I can pen the entire lower plate easily. maybe because of the different angle or just less armor down there
Like already said, i tested with a 125mm that has enough post pen
Ye lmao
I definitely is pennabel, its funny when they try to side scrape you lmao but be aware you need a good amount of pen to actually take more then only the fcs behind it
ah. thats strange.
I met them 2a7s many times with BVM and the Chally 2 OES, never got pen to that "slap"nose. Maybe its angles in matches, idk. But i was and keep being pretty sure its not an easy pen…
it does through the nose or to the lower of the nose?
As i said, thus in matches usually ends up with damaged engine and a driver, letting the 2a7 to easilly kill you, at least thats how it ends up for me xD
thy Sweden 122s are the same problem
i`ll keep that in mind, lol. I struggle to pen leopard’s turret really. Should definetly make it easier
