Ta 152 C3 exposes gajing's mediocrity

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I really appreciate your reply as a whole - but i am not sure if i have mentioned that i fly exclusively in Air RB with a Hotas and SFC (even on an old and inactive MS account) - with the individual instructor slides at “off” whilst keeping the general slide at “on” to keep the auto trimming of the aircraft.

Therefore i don’t know how bad the planes might be to fly with mouse aim.

But in any case the planes were not my taste regarding responsiveness - the best compromise for me was years ago the F-8 (long before it was used by almost everybody and the fire power was good enough for me) as i was never a fan of 109s. So using the very strong flaps to increase maneuverability is nothing new - but i am not sure if everybody is aware of this.

I was a fan of the Doras (i bought the D-13 with the boosted ailerons) even at 5.3 despite i never enforced head-ons due to the severe accuracy disadvantage vs mouse aimers.

But imho the wt meta changed significantly since 2019 and if i see the competitors today the D-9/12/13 need a downtier to shine; imho the 5.0 BR is slightly too high when i compare the combat effectiveness of a 4.7 La-7 with them.

I mean in the rare event when playing not with Germans in a full uptier in my SM 92 the 190s are no threat if flown by average pilots. And even vs experienced guys - as soon as you deny a head-on and get behind them (which is extremely easy) they are toast - the superior roll does not help, i can go 870 IAS in a dive and i won’t overshoot thx to my airbrake. Imho the 190 Ds are still just support fighters.

Anyway - gl & hf!

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Pardon, is this even possible in game?

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What do you mean exactly?

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The turnability? I mean roll yeah, active controlls yeah, but the turnability and manuvers?

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Imho you have to distinguish between anecdotal evidence (like with the first source) irl and what wt is able and willing to offer.

So certain aircraft perform way better or way worse in wt than irl and vice versa.

Some things are rooted in compromises made to make the game playable for masses (like way too high g-limits or lack of modeling the necessary muscle power to be able to put high AoAs) and others are based on gajin’s lack of seriousness when adopting FMs or plain bias.

So it is no secret that 190s can’t really turn fight Spits in wt or that the FM of A6Ms lacks the severe control stiffening at higher speeds (irl) whilst they are being able pull 12 gs which would break the neck of their pilots…

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Something of note is that the A-3, if I remember right, was the last Fw 190 with significant overheating problems (something the A-1 through A-3 struggled with). Starting with the A-4, Fw 190s became fairly renowned for never overheating, even under significant stress.

I don’t have specific evidence to support this idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the difference in climb, speed, and acceleration between the A-3 and Spitfire would be notably different if it was an A-4 in question, because unless the tests were done in short time frames, the A-4 would be able to be safely put under greater stress for greater power, for a longer time.

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I can’t confirm or deny this overheating topic related to A-3 and/or A-4 versions- but i remembered i read decades ago that the UK found out that their first captured A-3 model (1942) had artificially reduced engine power.

Idk if Caldwell or Weal described it in their 190/JG 26 books, but for a certain period the engine rpm (and subsequently boost pressure) was (mechanically?) reduced. British engineers tested the plane with full and reduced power:

https://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw-190-rep2092.pdf

So if engine overheating had caused this temporary hp reduction - this problem was at some point in time somehow solved. Either by field modifications or by replacing the engine with an upgraded / improved version.

What i do remember is that the power restriction was revoked after some engine modifications.

Not sure about that - iirc both had the same engine. So the question would be if those mock-up fights between the Spit and the captured 190 were performed with full power or not - idk.

If you want to go deeper into this rabbit hole: I recommend to check out this site:

FW 190 A-3 Performance

There are a lot of interesting documents regarding 190s - whilst this explicit site also describes the engine changes - and has the British report of the 2nd 190 A-3 (captured in 1943) plus performance graphs of 190 A-3s with and without restrictions.

Have a good one!

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woah there buddy. H-1 is 5.7 AT THE MAX. that plane is beast. sure not 6.3 material but it can fight well at that BR. 4.7 for H-1 is crazy work.

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It is literally not better in performance under 6-7000m than things like the La-7, Yak-9U and bf-109 G6…

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I have a lot of experience with the 152 H. It’s powerful but not superprop material. It does well thanks to interceptor spawn and dogfighting ability, particularly its exceptional flaps and maneuvering energy retention. The sustained climb and top speed at relevant altitudes are poor for its BR and Allied superprops could easily defeat it, if only they would keep their altitude and stop trying to turnfight it.

With interceptor spawn removed it would not belong any higher than 5.0. As long as it keeps interceptor spawn it belongs not higher than 5.7, though imo interceptor spawn only serves as a crutch to arbitrarily keep fighters at BRs higher than their performance really deserves.

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I just died like 10 times in a row and just got one kill, which was a La-9.
Got killed by a Spitfire, probably would have killed him if my plane wasn’t mostly stock.

7/10 times I died to P-51H-5 and I always found myself against most of the team with a few above me.

I can see it being good in downtiers but in uptiers it seems to have almost no chance, at least without upgrades.

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You can hardly make a judgement if you are flying it mostly stock. Of course you need the upgrades to have any chance.

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The Ta 152 H-1 is one of only a view planes able to handle a P-51H in a dogfight. The second you got him slow, the P-51 has a hard time.
If he wants to catch you early game at high alt, play time, the P-51H has only 8min wep time.
And do everything to stay above all enemies. The Ta 152 H-1 is a wonderful energy fighter.

True.
Full spaded and expert crew is minimum, ass crew is recommended.

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I agree, in a way the 152H is a bit similar to the zero, the only reason I can get kills is that p51h and f2g have 1 shared braincell and just dogfight me, and not even to their advantage, using their climb rate to slowly bleep me out of speed until I fall out of the sky and become and easy prey.

The airspawn just work like a booster, you can not recharge it and every single maneuver make you more vulnerable. past the first merge, every other 6.0 and even some 5.7 (yak3u, spit lf mk9) will be higher and faster than you.

The fact that the ta152 C3 is somehow higher is even more puzzling. Genuinely the 152C3 have worse performance than the D9 at 5.0, it could go 4.7 without air spawn and still be bullied by 4.3 yak3.

And do everything to stay above all enemies.
easier said than done, you can stay at 6k for the whole game, but at some point you need to drop down to fight. .50, hispanos and AN/M2 have no problem destroying tickets. And unless you go above 10k, all of your enemy will outclimb you anyway, they just need to get some distance and they’ll equalize the energy in no time.

If he wants to catch you early game at high alt, play time, the P-51H has only 8min wep time.

Well even without wep the p51h is still faster and climb better than you. Any competent player should just be able to dive a little, outrun the ta, climb a bit and now you can bnz.
Not to mention that with the insane climb rate of the 51h, you can use 4min to get to 6k, throttle down and only use it when you need to outclimb / dogfight.
Ta can still be a scary as it can get a chance to reverse you if you are a bit to cocky during the BnZ. Just treat it like a japanese plane and you will be fine.

The only luck of the ta imo is that superprop player are used to farm K4 and D9, so they expect the 152 to just be a 190 and expect to instantly get on his six and outrun him. It is not as played as D9 and K4 because 6.0 puts you into the 7.0 uptier with f80 and f84 which are extremely boring and deadly to be against. and the Su11 used to be here as well, fun times.

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You didn’t read what he said, at all.

That said, you have to be trolling to try to imply this.

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I think these opinions are a result of the problem many player have with energy fighters. It’s very difficult to guess the energy state (speed+altitude) of the enemy correctly. And if you missjudge, you have a hard time and will loose very often.

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Sure im trolling, now give me the stats that the H-1 is oh so powerful in at air rb combat altitudes, time to altitude? turn rate? speed? dive performance? not a single one of those stats is good enough to beat any 4.7 by much if at all.

For example it is slower than the yak-9U and La-7 under 5000m and is just as fast at 6-7000, it has a similar time to altitude to them, and tuns worse but dives better, but it cant out dive or out run 4.7 p47s.

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That’s the result of GJN’s way to judge planes and the way they reformed ARB.

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Yeah its all about k/d and winrate stats to them, that’s how the f8f-1 which has the performance of a 5.7/6.0 superprop, ended up at 4.7 because of the weak armament that gives newbies a hard time getting kills and thus giving the plane overall bad stats.

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And not just that, today, with the tusk force update, gaijin did this and i dont think its an error or bug:
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the default belt has now sp cost (and more than a 500kg bomb)

I love the 152 C-3 from 2018 in project x update when it was a beast, but then in 2019, the nerfs begun, first the 20mm hei damage nerf, then the nerf to mk 103 on hvap (98mm) and ap (78), and now its hvap (70mm more and less) and ap (50mm more and less), the cost from les 9k to 30, 40 and 50k SL cost repair in the next updates, and not just that enough, the br (5.7 and the doras was 5.3), to 6.0, for a time, and then to 6.3. The ninja nerfs on this plane, like the perfomance and FM. Now this, not only the cost sp in hvap and ap belts, it have same cost sp the default belt now. It will be better take out the airspawn, make it 5.0, or make the mk103 great again.

Yes, the 152 c-3 its a show of gaijin mediocrity and stupid desitions.

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