T-72B is the most armored tank at 10.0, 2nd to none.
T-80UD is the 2nd most armored tank at 10.0.
Except it’s not tall as a house, and has a low profile. Sure it can’t take a lot of damage, but in some cases, if just your turret is exposed, you can tank a shot sometimes. I’ve had instances where a well placed shot made the breech yellow and killed the gunner, only for the commander to immediately murder me. No armor is best armor sometimes with a lack of spalling…
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Useless on close quarters combat, only helpful in large open maps for getting to positions. The Sprit can still do this while being helpful in tight maps and not having a restricted turning circle.
Both have good high generation gunner and commander thermals. Sprut has same generation I think.
Spruts is still faster with a better round. Also gets a mean tandem warhead gun launched Atgm that can deal with light targets via over pressure
The Sprut is more practical. It also has Hydropneumatic suspension, meaning you can make artificial gun depression if need be, as well as making an even lower profile. It’s simply an extremely strong vehicle for its battle rating, on a very decent chassis. It also has a reverse gear. The striker isn’t all too similar to it in many regards, and probably isn’t a good comparison.
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Kvt?) You have tank which better in almost EVERYTHING than 80ud and still complain. Typical natoboy.
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Since when a vehicle the size of nato-tank is low profile? Sprut is 30-60 centimeters taller than Abrams(depending on source).
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The M1 Abrams (10.3) is inferior to T-80UD (10.0) in both ammunition and armor.
M774 is not completely useless, but very close. Definitely feels anemic for the battlerating.
3BM42 is significantly better.
At 500m the T-80UD can penetrate the M1’s lower front plate, turret-ring, breech, and turret cheeks. While the screenshot only shows one of the M1’s cheeks as green, both can be penetrated at this range.
At the same distance the M1 can penetrate the T-80UD’s lower front plate, driver hatch, turret-ring, and breech.
As you can see from the screenshots, the size of the relevant “weakspots” differ between the M1 and T-80UD. The T-80UD has the advantage of a smaller LFP, comparatively lower profile turret-ring, and less prominent gun breech. The weakspots on the M1 cover virtually the entire tank, while the T-80UD has slivers of green in some spots.
In short, the M1 has strong spots, while the T-80UD has weakspots.
Assuming a 1v1 between these two, the M1 has to aim carefully for weakspots, while the T-80UD can reliably penetrate the M1 anywhere but the UFP.
Say what you will about mobility, reload, and thermals (gen 1 is trash anyway), the T-80UD is superior to M1 Abrams in both armor and ammunition, two very important stats while also being 0.3 BR lower.
Edit: T-80UD penetrates the UFP aswell…
The biggest strength of the T-80UD might not even be the tank itself, but the ludicrously under-tiered lineup it is part of…
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The ZSU with Iglas is already at 9.7 and is functionally a better LAV-AD with less reloads, the strela going up is fine as long as that thing exists.
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He was comparing the striker and sprit. The sprout has a lower profile. The Hydropneumatic suspension also helps even further, but not too much.
Sprut and Sprut SDM1 cannot increase their gun depression by using the adjustable suspension like Type 90, MBT-70 and Strv-103 can. Sprut can only increase or reduce ground clearance (how much space is between the bottom of the hull and the ground).
Trust me, if they could; these tanks would end up 11.7 BR just from me playing them. Poor depression is one of the things that makes the tank awkward.
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Not at all, mostly came from the horendous vertical aiming speed, which is worse then T-34, it’s the same case as T-90A (not S like the Bishma), either they butchered it to fit the BR gap or if it’s really follow the stat IRL, then it gonna be stayed there but T-90A need a fix for the FCS and bring it to 11.3 easily, like the 2S25M.
I saw someone claim that the T-90A has -6 gun depression, is that true?
- Mobility: Worse
- Firepower: For close range, the same. For the missile, 9M39 is one of the worse AA missile ever implemented, it’s suck since the dominant of Ka-50 and it’s not even reach the G overload of FIM-92K
- Radar suck, no thermal, poor survivial ability
Yet claim it’s better.
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The stat they used and the source Gaijin public is from T-90S, the very bad T-90S modification.
Right now T-90A wrong with:
- Wrong turret rotation speed and vertical aiming speed, it should be the same as T-72B3 and T-80BVM, proof ? T-80UE-1 uses the same T-90A FCS and that thing smooth like T-80BVM.
- Wrong gun depression angle, should -6 like the T-90M
- Wrong armor since they recycle T-72B armor and slap new turret to it because T-90 armor still classified
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Damn I hope they fixed this then keep it at 10.7 bro LOL
The 2s38 can literally lol-pen the hybrid Abrams’s UFP and massive neck. A TURMS should have no issue taking it out.
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Why would the HSTV-L go up? It is hot garbage already at 11.3.
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It’s fine at 11.3. Just as Strf 9040C is fine at 10.0, and Begleit at 9.3.
2S38 should be 10.3, but that’s not the subject of this topic.
Yeah, Begleit can pen the hybrid Abrams turret ring. Doesn’t mean it or everything else should be significantly higher BR.
Of course, M60 120S is similar to T-72A TURMS-T. No real armor, lot of fire power.
There’s no reason why the 2s38 and HSTV-L can’t be the same BR. The 2s38 is arguably better than the HSTV-L as it can destroy jets and helicopters. HSTV-L has a speed advantage but in terms of firepower the 2s38 has a tendency to one-shot things a lot easier in my experience.
Ideally, both would be 10.7.
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The 9M39 has equal actual usable G loading as the stinger cannot actually use it’s full 13G loading while the 9M39 launches as of the last patch with auto lead. Both missiles peak at around 11Gs currently, the 9M39 however still pre-leads and the stinger does not, meaning one actually has the ability to hit close range targets, the 9M39, the FIM-92 in general cannot.
The LAV-AD has no radar, having any radar is better than no radar, both vehicles have no usable armor.
One is 9.7 and the other is 10.0, one is a actual better AA vehicle and that vehicle is the ZSU due to it actually having aircraft awareness.
The LAV-AD has the hydra 70 pod as a gimmic which made it 10.0, but does not actually make the AA vehicle better at AA.
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Good luck to use that Radar on ZSU series. It’s radar suck even at 8.3, slow rotation, hard to lock anything >700Km/h
Thermal is better then radar when spotting target.
Fim-92K pull sinigficantly better then 9M39 and sustain the motor longer with much better explosive filler
Hydra gimmic ?, so gimmick that it can overpresure all tanks at it’s BR and can act more like a light tank.
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HSTVL is faster, smaller, same armor, better round, better gun handling.
So no, 2S38 is inferior, objectively inferior.
2S38 being a 9.3 SPAA doesn’t matter cause it’s not 9.3, it’s 10.X.