The 2s38 can literally lol-pen the hybrid Abrams’s UFP and massive neck. A TURMS should have no issue taking it out.
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Why would the HSTV-L go up? It is hot garbage already at 11.3.
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It’s fine at 11.3. Just as Strf 9040C is fine at 10.0, and Begleit at 9.3.
2S38 should be 10.3, but that’s not the subject of this topic.
Yeah, Begleit can pen the hybrid Abrams turret ring. Doesn’t mean it or everything else should be significantly higher BR.
Of course, M60 120S is similar to T-72A TURMS-T. No real armor, lot of fire power.
There’s no reason why the 2s38 and HSTV-L can’t be the same BR. The 2s38 is arguably better than the HSTV-L as it can destroy jets and helicopters. HSTV-L has a speed advantage but in terms of firepower the 2s38 has a tendency to one-shot things a lot easier in my experience.
Ideally, both would be 10.7.
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The 9M39 has equal actual usable G loading as the stinger cannot actually use it’s full 13G loading while the 9M39 launches as of the last patch with auto lead. Both missiles peak at around 11Gs currently, the 9M39 however still pre-leads and the stinger does not, meaning one actually has the ability to hit close range targets, the 9M39, the FIM-92 in general cannot.
The LAV-AD has no radar, having any radar is better than no radar, both vehicles have no usable armor.
One is 9.7 and the other is 10.0, one is a actual better AA vehicle and that vehicle is the ZSU due to it actually having aircraft awareness.
The LAV-AD has the hydra 70 pod as a gimmic which made it 10.0, but does not actually make the AA vehicle better at AA.
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Good luck to use that Radar on ZSU series. It’s radar suck even at 8.3, slow rotation, hard to lock anything >700Km/h
Thermal is better then radar when spotting target.
Fim-92K pull sinigficantly better then 9M39 and sustain the motor longer with much better explosive filler
Hydra gimmic ?, so gimmick that it can overpresure all tanks at it’s BR and can act more like a light tank.
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HSTVL is faster, smaller, same armor, better round, better gun handling.
So no, 2S38 is inferior, objectively inferior.
2S38 being a 9.3 SPAA doesn’t matter cause it’s not 9.3, it’s 10.X.
the fact that the ud has better armor doesn’t mean anything. you’re still shooting at same weakspots. both on 9.7, and 11.7
at same time abrams has better aiming speed, both horizontally and vertically, better depression angles, better reload, better survivability, very good reverse gear, has a thermal imager…
soviet tanks have none of this
what is he superior at? this is a disgusting and inconvenient tank like any tank with similar characteristics.
If you compare ud with leopard 2a4, they are absolutely apples and oranges.
more likely uptiered.
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but only the damage is mega random.
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You’re assuming that every penetration = kill, which is quite wrong.
You’ll still have to aim for crew/ammo in order to OHK your enemy, unless of course you like to kill only a single crew member with your shot and getting murdered in return.
Not at all, having a radar of any type is better than TWS, it is there for awareness beyond your eyes as radar can see farther than the game will render aircraft.
No quality of TWS can make non-rendered aircraft render my guy.
Both have identical maneuvering stats capability stats bar the stingers lacking fin lateral area stat. The G limit desc at the bottom is for the stat card only and has no effect on the performance of the missile.
The 9M39 also has higher total delta V from it’s motor. The 9M39 also has a longer burning sustainer to begin with, with the stinger having a burn time of 5.6 seconds and the 9M39 having one that burns for 6.6 seconds, so no that is certifiably false.
It also only has .01kg less filler than the stinger.
So no, the FIM-92 and ATAS is indecently equal or inferior in most respects to the 9M39, and worse in close range effectiveness as it lacks the pre-launch turn that the 9M39 gets.
“overpressure all tanks at it’s BR” Man I wish it could do that with it’s tiny 1.19kg warhead, no it has trouble reliably overpressuring pantsirs which are unarmored trucks, saying it can do so against “all tanks” is incredible cope.
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Thanks for letting me know! Guess my friend who told me that had some faulty info haha in that regard haha
The round is not better. It does less spall damage than the 2s38’s round with no substantial difference in penetration in practice. The ROF on the 2s38 is better and the gun handling is about the same.
The 2s38 can do very well as an SPAA at 11.0. While it may have a slightly harder time against jets, against helicopters there is no distinction. Heck, I run the 2s38 at 11.0 anyway. There is literally no difference in performance.
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I do agree, i do play russia alot, but the t80 UD needs to be at least 10.3 br, the 2s38 its ok at br 10.
The 10.0 t80ud looks reasonable until the current 11.3 vehicles go to 11.7. What’s more, the stronger t90s only stays at 10.3, or do you think the t90s is worse than the t80ud?
The problem with russia is they have a ton of vehicles that could be moved up .3 BR after like 9.0. So when you say move X up, theres like 3 vehicles straight up better than it only .3 higher and would make the vic dead lineup wise.
I dont see this being fixed until we see ground decompression and gaijin seriously rebalances 9.0+. So many nations have interesting line ups at 9.3/9.7 that are dogwater because of the 10.0/10.3 premium blackhole.
is better than kvt or the pz123 in all possible ways, should be 10.3 br as a minimum.
the t90a is just a useless t72
Why?
Sorry, but the 292 is exactly where it should be. It needs the armor to compensate for the sluggish gun handling and slow reload.