It really shouldn’t be 11.0 mate.
11.0 is the only BR where it’s not instantly beyond DOA.
Hardly? it’s got the same mobility as the 11.3 one, same round, same armour configuration minus the newest form of ERA, then it also has the arena Active protection system, it shares the same fantastic gun laying speeds and turret traverse as the T72B3 as well.
The fact it sits at the same BR as the T90A which is objectively worse is weird.
The T72B3 Arena should be 11.3 at least.
???
The spaded B3 has 1130 HP while the Arena has max 840 HP.
Apologies aye, slightly worse mobility overall, but it is lighter too without the additional ERA package. Think it’s still about 19 HP/PT on the arena or so.
So it’s a tradeoff of slightly worse mobility, the thing has a 360 coverage with it’s APS and it’s a pretty decent APS to be fair as well.
Most other nations don’t get a good APS like that until the 12.0 areas (no it shouldn’t be anywhere near 12.0)
It’s 0.5 ton lighter while you lose almost 25% of your engine power, that is not a favorable tradeoff at all.
The T-72B3 has 24 HP/ton while the B3 arena has 18.1 HP/ton.
Here is the acceleration difference as well:
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Alright, again it’s still an 11.3 tank? xD it’s a sidegrade to the current T72B3.
Didn’t know it was quite as dramtic the HP/PT.
Irregardless of that , it’s still better than the T90A; it has better turret traverse, gun laying speeds as well as the same ERA, should be the same composite array as well as the Arena APS.
Why is it at 11.0 the same BR as worse vehicles?
Also doesn’t the ERA package for the B3 add a ton ?
Its more of a 10.7 than an 11.3. Its fine at 11.0. There is no BR where this thing will be good because the lack of mobility is just a factor that can’t be solved.
It’s no where near a 10.7 mate? 11.0 I can deal with it being and can discuss it being 11.0 or 11.3 but 10.7? not a chance.
gen 2 (or is it 3) thermals, good armour, good optics, fantastic round for the BR, an APS.
Does it also get the commanders thermals?
the mobility doesn’t change it much at all. Like the mobility is a negative, not a debatable fact at all as I’ve been shown, however the other boons coming from te 72B3 are still there.
That is debatable, I would call it a downgrade since the better mobility is much more valuable than a pretty mid and very situational APS (one of the worse APS at top tier).
T-90A in turn has much more favorable turret in terms of protection. However the T-90A was hardly a strong tank for 11.0 already.
Yep, but as of currently my spaded T-72B3 is 47 ton while my T-72B3 arena (obviously not spaded) is 46.5 ton. I guess/assume the APS is also quite heavy.
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It’s not at top tier though that’s the thing, the Arena is at 11.0.
Top tier APS is like what is found on the VT4A1 or the Black Knight.
The issue I’ve got with the mobility is that it’s still a T72, the B3 is still limited to 60, reverse is horrific even if it gets to that 60 far faster, which it will.
You reckon so? i’ve had more folks put rounds clean through the front of my T90As turret than the T72, the T72B3 has better turret protection does it not?
Also the T90 turret and gun traverse are pathetic in comparison to the T72B3
I see, I thought it was 48 or 47.5 apologies mate. Been a while since I’ve bothered with the t72B3 I’d rather take the T80B out over it TBH xD
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Its more on par with 10.7 tanks than it is with 11.3s. Its a fine vehicle at 11.0 like I said. It just will never be a good one.
Significantly worse armor than T-72B3 and considerably worse than 90A due to turret. The round is good but the reload is really bad. The APS is a glorified drozd and even struggles stopping spikes that arent long range. The optics are a bit of a moot point as as long as you have Gen 1 and good zoom that qualifies for good optics, anything better than Gen 1 is QoL.
??? Its 2s slower than OES to 60 km/h and more than twice as slow as 2A4 while being down 8 km/h of top speed as well. This is not even mentioning the M1 which is better.
The problem that all T-72B3s have is their turret forehead/roof. I have been spading a bunch of my challies and the forehead is such a painful thing for them. Easy to hit, always exposed even when hull down and usually results in at least 1 dead crew, destroyed FCS and usually an orange/red/destroyed breach and/or autoloader.
The T-80BVM has a similar weakspot, but that is a whole different topic.
Oh yeah I agree with that.
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Only in mobility is it on par with the 10.7s.
firepower, armour, tech such as optics, gun laying speeds, turret traverse speeds, thermal imager quality and ofc the APS.
How is it significantly worse? the T72B3 turret is better?
every T72 has that reload, as well as the chinese MBTs. It’s not great but it’s consistent.
Sorry what? xD the arena APS is substantially better than the drozd in what it stops, as for spikes they’ve been stopping every one I’ve fired at them. Same with hellfires and mavs.
it’s a decent APS like I already said it’s not as good as the likes of the BN or the VT4 but it’s not bad at all especially for being at 11.0.
No they are not a moot point, at all.
The optics on the T72B3 are fantastic and allow it to snipe substantially better than most. Thermal imager quality is also quite a big thing so how is that not a bonus if it has gen 2 or gen 3 thermals? xD
Okay we’ve established that the mobility isn’t great, much like every T72 before hand the mobility isn’t what you play a T72 for
As well as that, saying it’s so slow comapred to the Leopard 2a4 as if mobility is the only mitigating factor when it fires a top tier round, has gen two thermals, better horizontal turret traverse and substantially better gun elevation speeds. a consistent 7 second reload VS the leopard 6.7 without expert crew, 6.4 with it. Shows that you’re either purposefully being disingenious and acting as if all these other factors don’t matter or you really don’t know much about the game.
Even if it’s slower than an OES , the OES is at 12.3 xD not 11.0
it has a better round than the OES as well.
an APS, Better ERA, better more functional composites. Better reload than OES as well BTW if the OES has fired it’s first 4 rounds.
Need I continue?
T90A is the exact same dude, you can even HESH it through the roof. when hesh works and the ERA doesn’t get all funky.
yeah it’s different as it’s at 12.7 though isn’t it, not 11.0 the CR2 also fires a top tier round VS the T72B3.
Try firing a DM23 clean through the turrets, hell even L26 is struggling. well, with teh T72 not the T90A.
9.3s*
Not even. It takes more than twice the time to reach 60 km/h vs other 10.7s, and 7s more than its Russian peer the T-80UD. NATO 10.7s also have significantly better top speeds.
Gun handling and traverse are on par with NATO 10.7s, however it has significantly worse depression than them. APS is niche and thermal generation is QoL.
Its not? The T-72B3 turret is far worse than T-90A.
Its SIGNIFICANTLY worse than other T-72s. Its around 10s slower than T-72B3 to 60.
You always take into account experted reloads, so M1 is 5.3 and 2A4 is 6.4, way better than T-72s.
OES is… 11.7…
True but not by very much.
Having 5.3 for 5 rounds > permanently stuck at 7s.
APS is niche and not very useful at 11.0.
Sorry no, it has 18 Hp /PT it has roughly the same as the T72Bs at 10.3 which are about 18.7 or such last i checked.
So no, not 9.3s.
Im sorry why are you comparing it to the T80UD ? how is it a peer of the T72B3.
It’s literally got the engine from the T72Bs at 10.3 which have 840 HP as well.
the T80UD is obviously more mobile it has the 1000HP engine.
The gun handling is absolutely miles faster than nato comparable vehicles, which it also BTW has a 40 degree turret traverse speed VS the 34 found on most nato vehicles at 10.7 last I checked but it could be they need aced crews.
tell me how. the composite array isn’t much different and the T72 it has about 20 lower MM protection in the composite plates but makes it back up in sheer thickness of the block holding it.
As well as that It doesn’t have two huge flat parts on the front of the turret which most ammos at 11.0 can cut clean through.
It also has a worse shot trap due to how the turret is laid out.
APS is not a niche thing at all, there are so many air craft, helicopters and missile firing tanks it can and does protect from. To claim it’s niche is seriously disingenuous of you.
again comparable to the bloody 10.3 T72s, which lack the round, turret traverse, thermals, optics, APS and the protection.
You do not and I say this having used almost every T72 in the russian tree Turms included, play a T72 for mobility.
I literally stated the expert reload of the leopard 2a4 there . without an expert crew or without a leveled crew it’s literally the same as the T72, for a round which is miles worse.
It was a typo I meant to say 11.3 , they’ve moved the british tanks BRs about the last major decompression we got and I haven’t used past 10.7 much so their Brs I get wrong occasionally.
Irregardless, it’s still 2 steps above it. even if the T72 ARENA is slower, it’s better in various ways, as I stated.
By enough to be noticeable, it’s also found on an MBT with the aformention list of boons 2 BR steps below the EOS.
Have you used the CR2s? genuinely?
cause I’d rather the consistency of the 7 seconds than the 5.3 for incorrectly 4 reloads, first shot is already loaded so it’s 4 reloads
that reload change from 5 seconds to closer to 7 has gotten me wiped out far too many times . @Morvran knows what I mean with that.
Without ready rack is 7 seconds, with a leveled crew. the ready rack reload witha level 102 crew as I have rn is 7.5 seconds
that’s a level 102 crew mate.
It has the same mobility as the T-90A which is the exact same BR as the T-72B3E
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Oh my god you have not a damn clue what you’re talking about.
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Unlike Arena-M on B3A, B3E’s Arena-E only has a vertical arc of 20 degrees, meaning Helis, Aircraft, and even closer Spikes can bypass this. APS is also far more useful at LDIRCM BR where Helis are actually spammed, not at 11.0 where they’re rather rare.
This is some take. You’re reaching for the damn sun with this.
Expert. Your. Vehicles.
I will add this, you don’t compare B3E’s mobility to T-72B, you compare it to what it commonly faces and is at the same BR as it, ie: 2A4, M1, T-90A.
Being more than twice as slow to position vs 2A4 and M1 is a huge disadvantage, not to mention the plethora of other negatives on T-XX like reverse, reload, and depression.