Doesn’t the B3 at 11.7 also have the same engine?
The 11.7 B3 has the same engine as the 12.3 B3, both of which are higher in regards to a T-72B.
Taking a rather large mobility hit over T-90A for APS isn’t the benefit I think of.
Both should be 11.3, but it’ll take more convincing for me to support higher, and it’ll require talking about the BR compression at 2.7 ground.
I can see it being 11.3. and yes we need decompression bad
Early WW2 players suffer from compression while top ground is entirely decompressed.
Meh, I’d say they’re both compressed. Obviously some tiers more than others, Early WW2 and the 10-11 BR gap i feel like
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Man, instead of complaining about Russian technology, learn how to play and take a sober look at the situation. Try playing with Soviet tanks before you make any claims. If anything, the BM60 is available on the T90A and 2S25M.
It drives as fast or even faster than the Merkava.
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Dude, all of your comments on this topic is shilling for Russian equipment and trashing on everything else.
Merkava Mk3 fires an equivalent round, has a slightly better CQC orientation, and has at least slightly better mobility if not notably more.
Mobility matters more than top speed in forward direction.
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Just put it at 11.3.
It’s practically a T-90A with APS and much better gun handling but slightly worse turret armour and acceleration.
I wouldn’t say it’s better than the regular T-72B3, though it’s funny how the T-72B3A, which should really be at most 12.0, is 12.3.
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Considering it isn’t doing that hot at 11.0, I’d say B3 Arena is like high 11.0 or low 11.3.
No one would say that I’d think, I hope so at least.
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It’s already out?
I meant T-90A.
Ah ok.
Yeah its stats don’t seem to impressive, though that’s typical for common tech tree vehicles.
I wouldn’t say its underperforming, though.
I wouldn’t say that either, just stating it isn’t that great of a vehicle for 11.0, which might open up the gate for slightly better vehicles to stay at the same BR.
I just don’t think the T-72B3 Arena is that vehicle.
I don’t know, I guess time will tell.
Yeah
“Other nations win rates keep tanking not because we’re handheld and get unrealistic stuff while they get nerfs, but because their players are all bad!”. But yes, this fighting 10.0 and 10.7 in downtiers is fair. The Leo 2A4 gets DM23 and can’t have better ammo because “muh unfairness” but this thing can dunk on 10.0.
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I love how Russian vehicles being criminally undertiered always brings out the Russia mains en masse. The same folks who claim The Leo 2A4 can’t get DM33 for balance reasons will defend this thing wrecking 10.0.
@AlvisWisla Do you even know what “shilling” means? Nobody is glazing Russian stuff, at all. People are pointing out unrealistic performance, withholding ammunition from NATO tanks for “balance reasons”, and absurdly low BR for Russian vehicles. That isn’t shilling, at all.
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@Perinvisus
Soviet vehicles aren’t at lower BRs compared to other tech trees.
Ammunition has not been withheld in the slightest. In-fact, USA and Germany have ammo vastly superior to Soviet tanks at this time, and they were added to the game over 3 years ago.
All MBTs in War Thunder [except maybe Type 10] are over-performing in mobility.
Outside that fact, no tanks in War Thunder are over-performing over others in any notable capacity.
Shilling is a type of hardcore defense.
Just as I can be accused of shilling for NATO vehicles as I constantly defend NATO vehicles.
I can see very clearly that Demokrat’s primary post defended Russian vehicles.
And while T-72B3 Arena should be 11.3, 120S is at least equally under-BR’d alongside a few more tanks around these BRs.
M1A1 is 1.0 BR below its equivalent in France.