It’s still pretty good to be honest, turret armor is S tier, with a bit of aiming skills you would pop most things through the turret in one hit, similar situation would usually take apfsds several hits to kill through turret. In heavy tank class its still easily #1. Only enemies I had a hard time killing is Merkavas 1, a hull down chieftain mk10 or t-72s.
Turret armor is strong but it still has its weaknesses like the whole area where the gun breach is 80-130mm so if it’s angled you can take out it gun breach or even the ring around the barrel being 50mm I would say the the big ass muzzles brake as well but apparently they added a feature that you can still shot out of a dmg barrel but with cost of pen and accuracy or something like that
Simulated shots are different from in-game results.
I don’t know why, happens that I get ghostshots, and shots that hit tank multiple times but are not registered, no hit replay or anything, I don’t understand why, it’s weird and also there are a lot of cheaters lately. They have very low battle count and 100 lvl. Lastly that guy had advanced aimbot that targetted internal tank modules, ballistic compensation and visuals, he prefired everyone, game just started and he was first with 6 kills using AA… we all reported him…
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depends in the scenario/variables/shell type yes but if it says that I can pen in X it should pen X unless it was to say “penetration possibility is low”
Shot the muzzle break or the breach also the commander overrides from my experience doesn’t work especially since he sits right behind the gunner
Not really a good argument when most tanks have that ability some with a stabilizer heat,apds, and apfds round
That’s why it a priority to disable its one gun it has
Well from my experience especially when it come to just point a click almost anywhere on the track it would destroy just the track sometimes the barrel if close enough. When it does one shot from the track it from the side profile where it can potentially one shot not a guarantee or even between the tracks and hull from the front won’t always be a one shot and I just tested this from the shooting range (didn’t move just started shooting tracks everywhere and I mean everywhere from the angle it’s at
I would also like to add the t58 can also be one shot from the side of the tracks with he rounds that have a great amount of he explosive like the vidar for example
it should be 9.0. America 8.7 overall should be 9.0.
@Yubel2
Both those tanks hesh rounds aren’t working the way they should well a lot of tanks hesh aren’t working the way it should witch should be fixed and iirc I think hesh is over performing when it come to spaced armor or something like that
It’s fine at 8.7 learn to disable/kill it like the Maus
Are you saying all Americas 8.7 should be moved to 9.0?
its not a maus tho is it? its about as well armoured where it matters but its relatively mobile and oureloads everyone thats not an autocanon, while doing more damage per shot.
you need to hope that its not looking at you hull down unless you have an extremely powerful dart for the BR (obj 120 levels of gun power) as the armour angles and overlap make it ignore even quite potent HEAT shells.
the m103 remodel has made it a little better to cripple but that turret is still impervious in practice.
yes. the only peer of 8.7 i think beats the US 8.7 tanks is the leopard a1a1, but that is a 9.3 tank thats been dragged to 8.7 by comically poor players. XM800T, T58, XM246 especially, M60a1 rise/predator too. They are all very very strong for the BR and rival the likes of the Chieftain 900/mk10 and outright beat T55s from 9.0.
XM800T is the strongest small light tank until they start getting 105mm guns with APFSDS, even then its gonna beat them out a lot of the time.
XM246 is a gepard with armour that eats everything somehow
M60a1 rise/predator has a brilliant tank as its base, but gets ERA and a very good dart on top of it all.
hesh is underperforming on literally every other vehicle in the game
No but it’s as hard to balance as the Maus. Both are well armored, both have great guns One has great survivability the other has good survivability
The t58 being easily accessible is a problem as numbers matters especially when their great tanks for their BR
And at 8.7 most tanks do have the capability to kill/disable the tank as posted above and other t58 threads the many weaknesses it has and most auto canon overloads tanks that don’t have a fast rof it’s not special to just the t58
Theirs plenty of weaknesses in the turret once more look at multiple time it been posted in t58 threads and a majority of the rounds should be capable of penning the turret just don’t shot the lower part of the Oscillating turret ring that holds the other upper part of the turret as you won’t pen that this should be know
Gasp 😱 no really it can’t be… I was mentioning a different issue with hesh shells
I can say the same for the BOl pod nerf besides that theirs not much that can be done since they both share the same hull if I’m not wrong unless it’s a artificial nerf then you can argue for realism
ok here’s a different reason why the t58 needs to move up: the american unholy trinity of the t58, xm246 and xm800 affect the matchmaker in such a way that non-american 8.x is almost always going to be against america and when it’s not, it’s a full uptier against the soviets. This is a genuinely miserable gameplay experience and if a lineup is affecting the matchmaker like this, it needs to be addressed. The vehicle is already overpowered and it has 2 other overpowered blowjob brothers at the same BR which means the worst people on earth are queueing into it and making the game worse for everyone else.
lol their multiple line ups like these at multiple different br’s it not just USA
and you think this is an argument… why? Gaijin being incompetent at game balancing isn’t an argument against addressing this problem.
If you’re asking for major decompression than ask for that don’t just use a single tank or single nation for nerfs
sorry that I’m asking for nerfs to the lineup that is affecting my gameplay experience the most. It will happen again. On that note, atgm carriers need to get straight deleted from the game.
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