9.0 capabilities include having a good APFSDS round, LRF, decent armour, pretty mobile, or have gimicks.
T62 does not have ‘9.0 capabilities’ when compared to ZTZ88A.
Magach 6B does not have ‘9.0 capabilities’ when compared to the M60 TTS.
Strv 104 does not have ‘9.0 capabilities’ when compared to the Sho’t Kal Dalet.
And then don’t get me started with the Obj 279.
The closest 8.7 being 9.0 could be the Obj 122, but even that has some problems (the ATGMs don’t have IRCM, the tank without ATGMs is basically a longer reloading T62 with LRF, which isn’t really worth using over the T-62M1).
You don’t even have to hit the roof armour of quite a lot of NATO MBTs.
The T58 can kill a sidescraping Magach 6B just by shooting the tracks / side armour at an obscene angle.
The 36 degrees per second turret rotation speed is incredible for 8.3, where most things (at best) have 24 degrees per second of turret rotation.
T58 is what people complaining about SPHs actually think of them being as.
SPHs are squishy and relatively easy to disable / kill, unlike the T58.
SPHs (when flanked) can’t immediately react to incoming threats, unlike the T58.
7.3 - 8.0 SPHs (although having great reloads for their calibre) is easy to attack while they reload, unlike the T58.
Nothing can sidescrape this thing as it nukes you instantly if you show a pixel of your tracks or side armor. If he’s aware of your presence there’s hardly anything you can do against it, even double peeking with someone else is questionable with unstabilized tanks due to it’s ridiculous reload speed.
7.7s seeing this thing on a regular basis is a crime.
Putting it to 8.7 is a much better option that letting it run rampant on 7.7s on a regular basis.
T58 has some out of the ordinary stats and there’s a very good reason why.
T62 has good apfds round and heat round and decent armor and has a stabilizer also decent mobility also comparing it to a 9.0 and saying doesn’t compare to it is probably why it sits at 8.7 the only thing it can compare to it is the stabilizer, apfds at close range (like up to 1000m), its night vision and it has access to smoke And the t62 has a lil bit worse rotation speed by 4 degrees a sec then the ztz88A in Horizontal and is par with it in the vertical
Best type of nerf to the t58 is too put modules to dmg like The loader used an internal, electrically powered hoist attached to the turret roof to remove one of the shells from the ready rack and insert it into the loading tray of the cylinder.
Average to below average.
DM23 is quite common at 8.3 / 8.7 for NATO MBTs, or even better (such as the ones found with the AMX-30B2 Brenus).
Its best round for penetrating angled armour (3BM4) is similar in performance to M735, which isn’t the greatest to say the least. At least the RISE (P) has a 6.7s reload, unlike the T-62’s 8.0s.
I mean, it’s a good HEAT round but I don’t see why you’re pointing it out. It’s not like you would really use it other than to kill lightly armoured targets with overpressure.
But HEATFS will still go right through your turret and UFP.
Anything beyond 7.7 and your armour is effectively useless against anything other than SPAAs and IFVs.
So does pretty much all 8.7 MBTs (and quite a lot of 8.3 MBTs) other than the French AMX-30B2s.
That I do agree with, though it isn’t anything special.
Obj 122 MT “MC” (also 8.7) just mogs it when it comes to acceleration and top speed. And gets completely mogged by the ZTZ88A.
Exactly.
Hence why I don’t think most 8.7 tanks have 9.0 capabilities… unless you’re saying they share similar properties… but that goes for pretty much every BR.
My 6.3 Heavy IS-2 has similar capabilities as the 6.7 Heavy IS-2 (1944)? Wow!
ZTZ88A is better than the T62 by a considerable degree, hence why it’s 0.3 BR higher.
As with all the other examples I presented earlier.
Now my biggest issue is how big the gap between most 9.3 MBTs and most 9.0 MBTs are.
It has a lot of things going for it in a full downtier but as soon as it faces 5.7, 5.3, or even other 5.0s, the armour becomes really bad with no turret rotation speed, nor reverse speed.
