i have been facing this thing in the T-62M-1 (0.3 BR higher) and tho it absolutely stomps the T58, if u miss or somehow non-pen it u’re pretty much dead (again, 2.6secs reload + 155mm HEAT/HESH + ~28º turret traverse).
just like BMPT-72, u don’t need braincells to play this thing.
It is well armored but it’s not 300mm all around their are other spots on the turret that are 135 and 260 most tank in 8.7 or around should have heat apds or a strong enough ap or aphe round to pen the turret ill get some proof once I get on
the turret ring is extremely well armored, and ~200mm is still a huge number for side/rear armor. good luck hitting that from an angle or at long distances (or both).
i wonder if there’s any tank at 8.0/8.3 that uses AP/APHE at that point, and the ones who can use it (like Object 685) don’t have +250mm on it, and downtiered things like the french autoloaded 120mm have 301mm of pen in an APBC (not APCBC) shell that idk if can actually pen the hull (if u’re on WT check it out, i’m not ingame currently).
It still has a close to 2 K/D overall after 5 month, that is very clearly performing too well.
That is even beyond FOTM effect.
Then the Ho-Ri Production,maus, and Somua SM need nerf because their preforming to well because that also had 2.0 k/d or near 2.0 k/d?
Maus is a removed vehicle exactly for that reason.
Ho-Ri and Somua SM have both seen a bunch of BR increases and will likely see more. (at least if the Ho-Ri production doesn’t get hidden/removed at some point in the future).
Maus is removed for a reason and those other two are a part of a minor nation.
It’s wild when a vehicle in a major nation that’s still easily accessible has stats like T58.
My hope is that they replace the Ho-Ri production with a different, non paper vehicle, so that it is entirely removed from the game.
their is a few tanks in Russia that stills use aphe 239pen for 100mm cannon and for 122mm cannon 295pen but I would assume their not worth taking since those tanks got heat rounds also I don’t think you should be going for the hull with any type ap round unless it got extreme penetration
Yes it was removed but you can still obtain it (witch I need to do this year)
You showed the Soviet APHE attacking from off centre line, the T58 turret rotates too fast for this to be even remotely reliable.
They also buffed the M103 and by extension T58 hull so that it can only be penetrated by BR412D on very a specific spot.
Time you shots then if he moving to much just try and shoot the muzzle brake also
I mean I don’t really think you should be aiming for the hull anyways with any type of AP/Aphe it’s extremely strong unless it’s to shoot at the track like the examples I provided
Sure, just hit the barrel while he is wiggling it around rapidly when you have a 22 second reload.
No thank you, I will just be sure to only ever face it with 125mm APFSDS.
Somua and Ho-Ri Production are still busted. I wouldn’t be opposed to them moving to 7.7 and 8.0 respectively.
Though I’d like to see further decompression along with it.
Somua, a premium vehicle for a minor nation still has comparable stats to T58, which is a premium for a major nation. So if former is ready to go to 8.0 then latter should be going to 9.0 at a minimum.
About Ho-Ri Production, I’d want to see it removed and/or placed at the BR where it’s actually subpar (the same applies for other fiction too).
Also, if Somua moves up, then Maus should as well.
~8.0 needs so much decompression it’s crazy.
Sure there may be a greater proportion of inexperienced players using the T58 than the Somua just because the T58 is a major nation premium, but the Somua has a slightly larger sample size and has a higher average KPS and the T58 hasn’t gone on sale yet (so only a certain few got it).
I think T58 at 9.0 would be fair enough, but we could see if there needs to be any further changes.
I think Somua would be fine at 8.0, and possibly the Lorraine 40t, Maus and E-100.
IS-4M (basically a side-grade to IS-6) too if they decide to buff its reload from ~20.4 to maybe 15s/16s.
Same with the Conqueror (from ~14.9s to ~12.5s)
I think all vehicles (regardless of their authenticity) should be viable. Subpar is a little too extreme in my opinion.
But if that’s impossible then it’s always better for match balance to have a vehicle (that only a certain few have access to) to be subpar than overpowered.
A rare subpar vehicle would only affect the players who have it whereas a rare OP vehicle would affect everyone in a match.
Indeed.
Turm III still being 8.3 is wild.
And the PZH2000 being 7.7 too.
It’s not only that, minor nation premiums tend to do better than minor TT vehicles which definitely is boosting the stats on Somua even more.
If it was in the US as a premium, I’m confident it’d have worse stats than T58 has currently.
Most of the French 7.7 is really good, so them going up wouldn’t really surprise me.
Maus definitely has to go up as well too, it’s been performing too good for too long.
I think being on the worse side of any given BR is still much better than being completely deleted from the game files.
Turm III at 8.3 is just filthy.
I’m also amazed how more people aren’t talking about it’s problem as well.
No, it has a 7.7 hull, and it can face 10.0 tanks??? Crazy
I don’t see what’s crazy in that if it has other pros.
