the only real other pro it has is its reload rate and gun. Be realistic
It has good gun handling for a 9.0 with a nuke shell and insane reload speed.
It should struggle against 10.0s, that’s how uptiers work.
Still no stab, poor armor, looong replenish rate, no thermal, mid sight zoom, no automatic rangefinder, and mid speed
10.0 can have full stab, good speed, good armor (t-tanks), good gun pen, automatic rangefinder, good scope zoom, and thermals.
So you’re upset it’ll be hard to play against 10.0s but it’s all fine if T58 continues to smash 7.7s ?
It’s simply too strong at 8.7 and should be moving up.
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Ok, I hate to be that guy but if you fail to kill the t58, then thats a skill issue. Sure it has a menacing gun but everything has a con and its armor and replenish rate(unlike bmpt).
“Its called an up tier” but those tanks can still kill it since it has the same hull as the m103 --same br (7.7)
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Not everything is about how easy is to kill something.
T58 has a fair amount of armor while retaining really good offensive capabilities.
Again, armor isn’t everything and just because it can get killed doesn’t mean it’s fine where it is.
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If you have a hard time against this you got skill problem. I’ve got killed by one of these, I have killed some tho. Shoot the hull or the gun too eazy. PPL bring it up BR because HESH and HE Overpressure.
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For a heavy tank it is. Thats the whole point of a heavy tank.
Not really. There are also heavy tanks with just okay armor and great firepower. Just because a heavy tank only has okay armor doesn’t automatically make it balanced.
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No it isn’t.
Heavy tank isn’t just it’s armor, just like a light tank isn’t just it’s mobility.
T58 being at 8.7 isn’t reasonable at all.
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T1E1 is a 5.3 heavy tank with little to no armour but I’d say it’s one of the best 5.3s.
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I think the 76 one is better due to not having a first stage, having a better reload (5.9s compared to 7.5s), and has a stabilizer. It’s also a lower BR so it doesn’t have to face tougher opponents, and gets to face 4.3s.
But the 90mm one is pretty nice too.
Yeah uptiers were quite difficult from what I remember, however the 90mm is amazing if it pens and you still have the excellent reverse gear to back off. Maybe one day I’ll go back to start spading the low tier US vehicles like the T1E1. But the point mainly is that heavies can be good without excellent armor indeed.
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It’s obvious you’ve never played Italy.
Most of the time, to destroy a tank you have to fake it and hit it from the side. I wonder what you do when you’re playing with an M15/42, M14/41, M13/40 and you find yourself facing an M4A3 (105), a vehicle completely impenetrable by its frontal armor despite not being a heavy tank, but gaijin refuses to lower the BR of the Italian M15/42, M14/41, and M13/40 tanks.
Instead of complaining, you should learn to flank the enemy. If it works for Italian players, it works for all other players too.
EDIT: Fixed typo
Honestly, I’m all for the T58 going up to 9.0 if they fix its M103 hull armour for LOS (which has been underperforming for like 12 years straight since Steel Generals) and also some areas of the turret (especially the Locking Nut ring around the gun and turret sides + roof).
As well as maybe adding compatibility to use the T30’s HE and APCBC 155mm shells.
This thing when on the move is pretty ass, but as soon as it sit on an objective point with cover then suddenly it’s easily a 10.0 in terms of defensive. Had a partial uptired to 11.0 game the other day one T58 having 6 kills just sitting on C the entire match, I was sitting on B I could hear it doesn’'t kill everything in one-shot but 2-3, was killing things at least 2-3br higher and they have no answer against it at all. Was really nice seeing a 8.7 sitting on top of the score card on 11.0 with 6-0 bro
If they add HE then this could be the ultimate bane of infantry. Though I have a theory that they will not allow it in that gamemode anyway.