Is the Indian T-90 a better version of Soviet one, lacking the 3BM60 and laser protection but capable of fighting poorer tanks of 9.7 and never reaching top tier, or is it a worse T-72B 89?
Or are there some significant changes between the T-72B and the T-90S I’m missing? But so far, it is either first, or second option. My recent T 80 U showed itself pretty well on it’s tier. Now, comparing the two, Bhishma has worse mobility, but better front hull and turret protection, as well as higher survivability due to smaller autoloader, at just 10.7 - is it a good option to fight with, or there might be a catch?
I heard people blame T-72B 89 for being bad, which I didn’t expect, as 10.3 tank with K-5 ERA sounds awesome, but I’m yet to try them all to make any personal reviews. T-90S constructionally looks very similar to the former one. So I’d like to hear people’s opinions on Bhishma, to see if it’s cool or not that much.
If given the chance to drop 3bm60 and shtora for a .3 BR decrease I feel like many would. However when I spaded it recently 11.0 MM was very favorable to downtiers, that was before the t80ud going on sale though.
Im not perfectly knowledgable on difference between rounds, but unless post pen is different 3bm42 has no difficulties penning any tank in the game in the areas you should be aiming for, 3bm60 would be bad shot protection if the spalling characterists were similar I imagine, and the shtora is a big old fat gimmick that is rarely useful.
IMO:
T-72B (10.3 → 10.0)
T-80UD (10.3 → 10.7) [Better T-72B 1989 at the same BR]
T-90S and T-72B (1989) are fine where they’re at
T-90A (11.0 → 10.7) [Remove 3BM60 and move it to 10.7, basically identical to the T-90S now]
T-72B3 and T-72B3A (12.0/11.7 → 11.0) [Worse Al-Khalid at the same BR, but can’t go down further]
The catch is no reverse speed and not much reason to use it over the Vickers Mk.7/Challenger Mk.3 unless you rely a lot on armour to carry you, I did not redeem the Bhishma.
I’d argue they’re actually better, the B3/A pretty much only has protection and round as a real advantage. The 2A4 and M1 however, have far better reload, mobility, depression, reverse, etc.
thinking about it, sure. youre right that M1 and 2A4 hold significant mobility and agility advantage.
But even then B3 isnt far behind in some areas. Aced B3 has 34°/s of horizontal traverse, thats quite good for top tier MBT, with only aced Leo2s being better (unless i missed something). Cant find anything on its vertical traverse. HP/T with UHB package doesnt seem to be that far behind 2A4 in mobility department (and it should be actually better than 2A7V if im reading it right).
All of that in combination with armor and round would give it massive TTK advantage, moreso in full downtier.
Sure M1s and 2A4s would still be better in open maps with lots of hulldown spots but I really cant imagine facing this thing in some poor 10.0 on city map.
2A4/M1/B3 all have 40 degrees aced, it says 34 because you don’t have the horizontal drive modification. Both M1 and 2A4 have upwards of 27 HP/T, while the B3 is at 24 with a far, far worse transmission. As for 10.0s, there are very few of them, the main ones being the AMX-40 and Leopard 2K, which both have an insane mobility advantage over the B3. (2K has 30 HP/T, should 100% not be 10.0) So it would be pretty fair in my books. (I’d rather 100% be in the 2K). If top tier was decompressed it could be 11.3, but the Fuji and M1A1 are there, which are far better than the B3.
Even then the B3’s armor profile isn’t great… All that green on the roof can be used to snipe a crew member of your choosing or the breach entirely. What about if the B3 had 3BM42 instead of 3BM60? Then that brings up the Khalid which is better than the B3 even if both have their top rounds, which nobody complains about.
lmao i need to open the game properly and not go off wiki.
yeah but 2A4 has to aim, whereas B3 can just lolpen 2A4. Since they have both the same horizontal turret traverse of 40°/s as you said, that makes the TTK heavily favor the B3.
not that much important playing on large open map with lot of hulldown positions, but on city maps with whats basically LoL/DotA lanes?
doesnt khalid have much worse armor profile, with much larger LFP and what not?
