T-90M needs needs a fire power buff

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After the reload buff to the T-80s and Chinese ZTZ-99A, the T-90M feels a little lacking in the fire power department. The T-90M still uses the same 3BM60 shell and 9M119M1 ATGM that are used on the T-90A all the way down at BR 11.0, or BR even 10.0 if you want to count the Sprut.

I think this justifies the addition of two new shells for the T-90M.

  1. 3BM44M Lekalo - This new shell has 650mm PEN, which will put it more inline with NATO shells like DM53 ect.
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  2. Sokol - V ATGM - This is an barrel launched ATGM, but it is fire and forget / top attack like Spike ATGM. It has 1000mm PEN and a velocity of 550 m/s

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I believe both of these would make great additions to the T-90M, helping it be a more completive tank at top teir. At lest until the T-90M Arene and T-90M2 are added into the game.

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not sure nato main will be happy about this.

but +1 for me. maybe not the atgm but the round is needed in near future when nato get their armor.

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3BM60 already has more pen than 3BM44M.
And DM53 has 698mm of pen at 2000 meters, not 650.

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You jump a gen for rusian shells - you do the same for every other nation on the list.

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USA and Germany already jumped generations, Soviets, France, Sweden, and China haven’t caught up yet.

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Bullshit missile btw. As for a lot of other rusian tech it was a mil budget fraud. It simply doesn’t exist.

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T-90M does not have much better firepower options, bar 3BM59 which has about 10mm more pen. You’re outa luck.

3BM44M’s “650mm” is an LOS figure and thus isn’t representative of what it will do in game.
For example, current 3BM60 already has 670mm LOS pen @10m.
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BM44M is the predecessor for BM60, so it wouldn’t be better. It still has the shorter rod from what I remember.

The only round that could be added that is better is BM59 (depleted uranium version of BM60). Also BM42-2 can be added for the earlier autoloaders, but BM46 is probably better anyway

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I think you should have your posting privileges taken away given history of your posts.

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I don’t think this will really do anything for Russian tanks in game. What Russia really lacks to be “competitive” is mobility, which is where the Armor compensates. The JM33 is used on many Japanese tanks (400ish pen I think) and they still hold the number one spot for highest win rate in game. I wouldn’t mind them adding the round as long as they are added to the variants of other nations that hold Russian tanks as well. Either way, wouldn’t do anything to help Russia at top tier but nice to have.

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Yearly equivalents? I doubt that. Soviets get better means to penetrate non-existent nato armor? Nato gains the same capability with anti-ERA tips and so on. Equivalent for 3BM44M would be DM83 btw.

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Question, is there even a thing 3BM60 cant pen outside of turret cheeks and Abrams/any MEXAS UFPs?

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3BM44M is worse than 3bm60 though? How is it in any way a DM83 equivalent which is only for 130mm guns

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No?

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NATO tanks have yet to have the most armored status removed from them.
Not even T-90M is as good as Strv 122, and prior to T-90M, T-80U was the previous most armored Soviet tank until the release of T-90M. And T-90M’s closest equivalent armor is 2A7V.

Also 3BM44M’s equivalent is DM43 at best. Not sure why you’re claiming Germany can’t make ammunition and that DM83 is as bad as if not worse than DM43.

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As far as I remember no, bar Oplot UFP being iffy.

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Seems to me T-90M doesnt need better shell then. Not going against you, just wanted to confirm.

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Disaggreed and then pulled up a report on how its not called dm83, dm83 is the name for 130mm darts, most recently kf51, or challenger 3 130 TD

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Russian tanks are mid because their armor doesn’t make up for their lack of mobility at all lmao.

However with how stupidly OP Russian CAS is it’s more than fine for their top tier MBTs to be mid to compensate.

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The Name KE2020NEO is the devolpment name, DM83 is what it is called in the german army.
Also German ammunitions can have the same name wich is then differentiated by caliber.

For example

Lepard 1A5 105mm DM23
and
Leopard 2A4 120mm DM23