Germany and their new ammo

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As of recently there has come to my attention the ammunitions that could be added for the future of war thunder, and i tought it would be a good idea to have a discussion talking about possible additions for the future aswell as serving as a repository of information, the idea is to share the info and keep the suggestion for a possible future addition at the moment we have.

PELE:

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DM63/DM63A1:

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DM73:

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DM11:

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DM83/KE2020NEO:

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Target used to test it
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Rheinmetall patent drawing showing a 754 mm long penetrator optimized to defeat ERA
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KE2020NEO history

Rheinmetall has not disclosed the exact specifications of the KE 2020 Neo, but aims for a 20% increase in performance. According to a 2017 report from the Polish publication ZBiAM, Rheinmetall was developing prototype APFSDS rounds featuring a 760 mm long penetrator, compared to approximately 680 mm for the DM63. These prototypes weigh about 10 kilograms including the sabot, making them around 1.25 kilograms heavier than the DM63 round with its sabot. Due to the increased weight, the muzzle velocity is reduced to approximately 1,670 m/s when fired from the L/55A1 gun. To counter this, Rheinmetall explored measures to reduce sabot weight by 1.1 to 1.3 kilograms, potentially increasing muzzle velocity by 110 to 130 m/s. Additionally, Rheinmetall investigated more complex, non-homogeneous penetrator designs. Over recent years, Rheinmetall has patented several methods to enhance penetrator performance, such as increasing length, improving armor-piercing capabilities, or enhancing after-armor effects. These innovations include penetrators with variable diameters, designed breaking points, interchangeable tips to optimize against specific threats, and composite penetrators incorporating materials like tungsten carbide.

DM83(2025)

thanks to the latest updates by rheinmetall and data gathering of most recently registered patents of the shell we have get to known the appearance of the new penetrator, a new aproach that consists on the use of a modular penetrator(altough its called modular its not the normal type of modular its more of an aproach for different variations of the shell)

to enter in details, the apfsds has been added with unconventional rod shapes to increase strenght against lateral forces(ERA, aps and composite) thanks to the aproach the apfsds its capable of a more efficent penetration by allowing the rod to keep a straight position, altough this aproach is not new is the first time its been implemented to an apfsds in such a way.
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Bundeswehr introduces Leopard 2A7V into service – Below The Turret Ring
https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-download/Weapon-Ammmunition/B195e0423-Rheinmetall-120mm-system-house.pdf
thanks to @Mulatu_Astatke for sharing source and picture https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/19/233/1923326.pdf

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ill add it

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HE frag is already in the suggestion its DM11, ill have to add more info later like filler and type of explosive

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DM83 is supposed to be able to defeat Relikt, isn’t it? And would be the only 120mm round to do so for the short future, no?

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we dont know anything of it yet, but the purpose of it would be to defeat relikt and if not the 760 mm of brute lenght its a lot and regarding the round caliber yeah its a 120 mm round since rn the purpose of DM83 is to squeeze as much potential as possible for the L55A1 before needing to switch to a 130 mm gun

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From what I’ve read, the sole purpose of developing the round was to defeat Relikt:

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ty ill add it to the KE2020 pic stash

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i happen to have some estimates on DM11 HE explosive filler based on info from the US and germany, the US managed to include a weight of the frag sleeve and rheinmetall has a weight on the shell wich means i can substract the weight from the frag sleeve off the shell from rheinmetall

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this means the shell weight of the carcass its 4KG considering 13kg its with fragment sleeve and all carcass and not explosive components this means another 3 to 4 kg of explosive mass considering the weight of the whole thing

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M829A4 was the first one

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M829A4 its a brute force approach for what we know due to descriptions of patents and other sources, and speaking of that i need to update the thread with the latest info on DM83

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brute force was M829A2, M829A3 already featured a steel tip to destroy ERA and preserve the main penetrator

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M829A3 its the more brute force aproach and M829A4 its still somewhat brute force both use a DU alloy together with a new tip and rod design but lets not forget how long they are too, there is a few pics out there about the lenght of the apfsds being the whole cartridge in lenght, just look at it

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