true that doesnt mean theyre good vehicles, good thing the large majority are good vehicles in the russian tree, theyve got their downsides but theyre very good all around. there are some very bad vehicles sure but theyre a very small minority, the only nation coming close to russia is germany as they have a very good tree, but germany has all around worst spaas, light tanks, CAS and helicopters, sweden is also often mentioned as they have a really strong top tier. but that is it, top tier. low tier/ mid tier is weird as hell and not particularly good.
Russia has a lot of good vehicles. Not all of them, but enough to have at least 1 good vehicle per BR.
Premium lineups, maybe.
Find me a real source thst says its to be 300 cha?
And last i checked the files m829a2 caused more.spalling than the A1 and more than Dm53 but maybe ir got changed.
Germany is arguably better than russia.
Br for Br the spaa for the most parts are either on par or better until the roland and flaktruck, but its VT1 missiles.are.no joke, it aint as good as pantsir but it sure as hell aint bad.
Germany has a lot of fleshed out lineups all fhe way to top tier as well, which are arguably better vehicles than the russians especially once you get into leopard territory, germany has the t72, has the leo2k, kpz, leo 1s, has a plethora of good prems n event vehicles and has the hunter f58 for cas at 9.7 with two good tv guided atgms.
They have the tams, they have the bagliets, the pumas for lights.
All of their mbts are better than their russian counter parts bar in armour which is rectified at top tier.
Most tanks for the big 3 are highly competitive with one another and quite frankly have strengths and weaknesses.
Over all but at top tier the leopard 2s are miles ahead of the competition.
While the T80bvm and abrams come in behind them.
They suck most of them.
Russia is mid as you say
I mean you can already see it in game in the armour viewer. The turret ring model is not 50mm but is labeled 50mm. Also there are bug reports for it.
Uh no. The M829A2 and M829A1 have the exact same spalling preset and always have been apds_fs_long
So? Russia is still good.
The VT1 isn’t bad, the platform is bad. The Pantsir has an infinitely better radar capable of tracking multiple small targets allowing the Pantsir to counter-SEAD. The Pantsir also has 12 ready to fire missiles whereas the Flarakrad has 2 before it has to like a 10 seconds animation to reload.
Also the Pantsir’s missiles have a 20km range which can catch people that are climbing whereas a VT1 can’t.
Russia also has good lineups at top tier as well? They even have much better CAS like the Su-25/MiG-27/Su-39 and the upcoming Su-34.
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u have good armour and a good gun. you even have a reverse gear unlike the 72 and 90 series.
FYI the leopard 2A4 is at the same br and has lacking armour and its gun cannot pen ur UFP and even ur turret can troll pretty hard
Russia is incredibly mid, but as i said all 3 major nations are better than the minor ones astromically and germany still has su22s which while not fantastic can get the job done.
Though i definitely agree they need both a top tier cas platform and cap/ arb platform.
Also no spaa in game comes close to the pantsir bar maybe these new ones from the new update but ive not seen much of them yet tbeyre certainly welcome in germany. But thr platform germany has is still miles better than the adats and is better than what japan, isreal and italy have and britain.
Germanies leos along side its lights are actually prerty substantial at top tier.
The spikes seem to be performing better now adays compared to a few patches ago.
I dont think the t80B should be 10.3 again at all btw either.
And maybe mandela effect on the m829a2 then but again its arguably the best dart in game and can further lol pen over the A1 version.
The A1 was fine at 11.7 if they have a2 it should realistically be 12.0, the m1a2 ive.no idea why it sits at 11.7 same as the HC.
But thr point i was making with that was you can now buy top tier ammo and fight 10.7s with it consistently.
And again the turret ring has been volumetric modelled ill try find the other topic with it in it unless the dude fabricated it all 😂
I mean you have negative KD on the T-10A and T-55AM1 so I guess that explains why.
Sure but the Su-22 pales in comparison to the Su-25 lol.
That’s not a good thing. The Flarakrad is already shit, the other nations just have even shittier shit.
I don’t play the Spike PUMA but all I’ve heard from it is that its incredibly mid. The spikes are inconsistent and the 11.0 BR is not appropriate.
The best round is DM53 and again M829A1 can already do what M829A2 could do. Not saying the buff was justified, just that its meaningless and should be removed.
Its not volumetric? Its literally 50mm all around. If it was volumetric, it would be varying thickness.
The t55 an t10 were some of the first prems i got along with the turms.
Back nearly 6 years ago sir.
Ive better kds in the chieftains than the t55s.
Not sitting with a 2.0 kd or anything like that but try to sit top 3 most games.
The flakrad isnt shit mate. It isnt as good as a pantsir but it isnt shit either.
I use the su25BM for cas and tbh its alright but the weapons it has the su22 also has bar ofc the top tier su25 which has the kh38 which if you use q su25 at top tier will notice more f16s doing better cas/cap than you can dream of.
And the folks i know using the spike puma now are saying the missiles are more consistent than before.
The fact it can one tap through the front of a T80U or T90M shows that it isnt likr before when it just hit the barrel.
Though the platform isnt the best.
The dm53 in my experience has been far worse than the m829a2 at a lower br.
T-10A came out like 4 years ago.
I don’t care about your British. I only care about your Russian since you claim they’re mid.
You don’t even have the Pantsir, or the Flarakrad. I have both and can confidently say the Flarakrad is shit. It can do nothing against modern CAS.
No wtf. Most of the time you won’t even be 1 shotting anyone. You’ll be taking out their barrel or turret ring. I just tried out the Spikes and they’re situational and they don’t even do a lot of damage.
Far worse? How exactly?
If you only care about the russian kd why bring up two mid br tanks ? 😂 t10a of which isnt even that good.
Nah im grinding both spaa lines as well.
Im not saying the flarkrad is anywhefe near the pantsir ? Never did at all, already said the pantsir is miles ahead of all othwr spaa, i compared tbe flak to everyother spaa bar the pantsir. I didnt even suggest otherwise.
All.im saying is the flak compared to other spaa is still good.
And spikes rn from what ive seen arent hitting barrels and rings like they used to, christ watched a vilkas 2 days ago get 6 kills with em.
Like every atgm situational.
And the dm53 ive used on the 2a5 isnt as point and click as the m829a2, on the 2a7 maybe theyre on par but i can aim faster shots and focus less on weak points with the A2 than the Dm53.
Or maybe coming from l27a1 and the chinese top round made the M829a2 feel better than going from the A2 to the dm53.
Theyre both incredibly good rounds respectively.
t80B turret ring is volumetric according to this
Because they’re one of your most played Russian tanks. They’re also really good tanks for their BRs. I could talk about the your negative K/D IS-6 or T-72Turms but they’re average at their BRs.
T-10A is a good tank. I don’t know how you see otherwise.
And I never said you said that?
You said the Flarakrad isn’t “shit” so I argued back.
Trust me. I have them and they’re bad. Pretty much everyone that has Spikes will agree they’re bad.
Huh? The L/44 DM53 has about the same penetration as the M829A2? The L/55 DM53 has more pen than the M829A2. I don’t know how you think the DM53 is “far worse”.
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as i said, when i got them played like garbage with them as i was newer to the game.
T10A isnt really that good at all, the armour is middling for a 7.7 heavy, the IS6 has better armour, teh same round, one less 50 cal but more mobility. all the T10A has going for it really is the stab which is handy to have but not a must have at the BR. it gets lol penned by almost everything it comes across.
“You said the Flarakrad isn’t “shit” so I argued back.” the flakrad isnt shit as ive just pointed out, all spaa pale compared to the pantsir which i hope again these new SPAA can rectify.
and again spikes im speaking from what ive seen and folks i know say about them, never seen them be amazing just said theyre more reliable than they used to be at release and even after.
the L44 DM53 ha slower pen than the M828A2 and generally when ive used it bounces off more shots at less of an angle. Ive had more shots with m828a2 actually pen more tanks reliably and ofc the 5 second reload is great to ahve.
again the point is the fact you can buy a tank with access to the arguably best / 2nd best round in the game at top tier.
Because they’re one of your most played Russian tanks. They’re also really good tanks for their BRs. I could talk about the your negative K/D IS-6 or T-72Turms but they’re average at their BRs.
yet i do better with definitively worse tanks aka chieftains etc.
the stats dont give away much of it seeing as most would say the T55AM1 is better than the chieftains, so yeah it backs up the fact that the russian tanks are mid, they excel by having so many of them allowing a win, not the fact that theyre definitively good tanks.
This is getting off topic now but I just wanna say. Skill issue. T-10A is just as mobile as the IS-6, in fact the T-10A has a slightly higher Hp/ton but the IS-6 has better reverse. T-10A also has stab and a slightly faster reload.
Again, modern CAS sets a new standard. The Flarakrad is shit, the other SPAAs are just even worse. I actually have the Flarakrad and Pantsir so I would know.
They have the same ricochet angles and the L44 DM53 has 6mm less flat penetration which does not matter at all.
You forgot to quote the top paragraph.
I mean a lot of your tanks are negative K/D. Point is that, your stats are not a good way to measure how good a tech tree is if your skill is generally low.
the dm53 has 4 less pen at 60 degrees as well.
Again that doesnt mean the Flakrad is shit. comparitvely its one of the better SPAA in game compared to other spaa like I said which you cannot seem to get your head around.
The cas right now even the pantsir sucks mate its the best SPAA but rarely do i get shot down bythem before i can take them first. Unless theres multiple SPAA platforms up at once which is a different ball game.
Yet here I am consistently building up the stats of the vehicles i am using and going back tree by tree and bringing them up to a more respectable standard. Ive got nearly 3000 hours in the game mate.
I can say that a tree is mid compared Br for BR compared to say the american or german tree, i dont have to be sitting on a 3.0 KD to be able to see the game. also on the topic of KDs our KDs are near enough the same overall so yeah.
@Axzuel dunno if you seen the link i put into one of the responses further up that shows the turret ring of the abrams as volumetric apperently
Totally irrelevant. Both have at least 360mm of pen at 60deg, 4mm is not gonna matter lmao.
You’re comparing it to other SPAA. SPAA vs SPAA doesn’t happen in game at top tier. Its SPAA vs CAS and in that situation the Flarakrad is shit.
Well, you think Russia is mid, I think its good. None of us can be convinced.
I saw and as I already said. It’s not volumetric. Its a static 50mm, if it was volumetric the thickness would be varying. It just looks like its volumetric on the xray model.
premium lineups are very strong but its also TT vehicles.
USSR has good TT lineups at 5.0/5.3, 6.3/6.7, 8.3/8.7, 9.3 and 10.0/10.3 which is decent.
US has good TT lineups at 5.3/5.7, 6.3/6.7, 7.7/8.0/8.3 and 10.0/10.3 which is decent.
GER has good TT lineups at 5.7/6.0, 6.7, 7.7/8.0, 9.0/9.3, 10.0/10.3.
In my opinion other major nations are really close when it comes to TT lineups.