Preferably a event pack that has the German and Soviet one in it.
I said it likely did not say anything concrete 🤷♀️ the su88 very clearly saw combat I’d wager the t34 88 did too
PS: ah, you figured out you just typed ‘I’ve never said it was combat ready or saw combat’
My bad, corrected myself to a proper respond.
Its one of the 2 personally I’m leaning towards half way between it would make sense if both the su88 and t34 88 were finished/ done at the same time meaning they would both be operational AND since the su88 shows combat scars it shows a chance the t34 88 was with it. I’m working off limited information like you the Soviets very clearly wouldn’t of known how to mount the 8.8 and it left German records before Kurtland was taken over by the soviets so it left
And my guess here isn’t waffling it’s from theses
This document showing how many beutepanzers in march showing they have none BUT 4 were later going refurbishment and made operational again as shown here
And then this later document from April (one month later)
Shows all beutepanzers disappear so somewhere around early April they disappeared what lines up with the German surrender in may (somewhat) lines up and to help all my previous waffle
Here from the 12 panzer Division (focused in beutepanzers) this shows they had 9 t34s in mid/late April and this helps my whole point because with the capture of Kurtland pocket we see the ss 12th Panzerdivision was disbanded what perfectly lines up (although their surrender was recorded as only having troops so somewhere along the way they abandoned their armour) with the film from Kurtland pocket showing the t34 88
You’re basically proving my point at this stage. Almost every argument you make about the K20 boils down to “it probably worked”, “it likely fought”, “documents were probably lost”, or “Germany wouldn’t have sent it otherwise”. That’s not evidence, that’s speculation stacked on speculation. Meanwhile the actual documented evidence for the K20 as a fully operational combat vehicle is inexistant as i know, and you have no proof to prove the opposite. So no, I’m not saying it was impossible — I’m saying you’re treating a barely documented late-war conversion like it’s a fully proven frontline tank, and the historical evidence simply does not support that level of certainty.
So I think i’m just loosing time trying to make you say historical facts, and I’ll let you in your complotist/degenerative/aggressive state and ignore all your response that are far from not being with the term ‘if’ or other hypothesis.
And we still agree on the most important part: none of the documents or pictures you posted actually prove that even a single one of those Beutepanzer was a T-34-88/K20 specifically. They prove Germany still operated captured T-34s and refurbished some late-war, but that’s not the same thing as proving the K20 itself was operational or fielded in combat. That’s the distinction I’ve been making from the start.
If you have any real plausible proof it saw combat, and have a confirmed kill, or even it could move by itself, I’ll respond back. But not to any other response from you.
What line up with the amount at the storage yard… In the none functional and functional
except its a T34 ? this is the same as the french AMD with 50mm cannon
and the only difference i can find with this tank from a normal T34-85 is the cannon but its not really a upgrade its like a side grade as the regular russian 85mm is just as powerful if not slightly weaker
im all for uniquness i usually argue about it when its just blatant copy slop to another tree but this really isnt one of those cases
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I was going to mention this but totally forgot about it. It’s basically the same case.
I don’t think the french should of gotten it 🤷♀️ I get why they did yk lack of wheeled light tank there but it’s a German mod and should be treated as such plus the Soviets don’t need a up gunned t34 they already have it it’s the t34 100 they have their unique t34 Germany should have theirs being the 88
yeah its not like there putting a tiger 1 in russian tree its just a weird modfication germany made due to desperation
i wouldnt consider it upgunned compared to the OG 85MM cannon
its a 20mm pen difference but it doesnt have the extra pen that the 85 has on angles which is like 30mm bonus
I mean 20mm of pen and a lot more explosive a up gunning
What should say enough why it should be in Germany and not ussr
yeah probably
Me when I War Thunder gatekeep XD
Jk it definitely should be. Germany would get their own.
extremely doubtful that they’d do two of them, considering how it’ll absolutely be an event or battlepass vehicle
Disagree the Soviets didn’t have anything to do with the modification 🤷♀️ it should go to Germany again like the su76I should only be Soviet what was a pz3/stug 3 chassis
I personally don’t see them coming at all like I said before. It’s still unknown if the vehicle even functioned.
Though if they do it they’ll for sure come for both seeing the recaptured AMD with the German 50 in the French tree and German tree. One may be added as a BP and another as a premium or research. 🤷♂️