Threads re-opened. I’ll say again, If you don’t know the source for images or info you post then don’t post it. If it ends up being classified then it will reflect badly upon you & the community.
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This would be a great counterpart in a major update that includes plenty of high-tech prototypes like the M1 CATTB for the USA, Type 10 with APS for Japan, Jaguar MBT for China, and much more. Would definitely be a mess in terms of balancing in that time but its going to bring in a lot of players, would be fun to see.
U have a weird definitin of high tech.
The m1 cattb is from sth like 1993.
Abram x would be more of an equivalent.
The jaguar is from 1988. Your relations are completly wrong and your proposed vehicles arent close to a T-14.
Leo 2 arc 3.0
Embt 2022 and 2024
Kf 51
Abrams x would be equalish in an update.
Not whatever you proposed from the last century
I used high-tech in-game sense. I know what I gave as examples are basically 1980s tech but here we are with the T-14 which is basically revived 1980s tech. If I really wanted high-tech, I wouldve suggested the Abrams X but that would be stupid.
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I apologize, youre right, the Abrams X would be a good idea maybe even together with the M10 Booker. The M1 CATTB shouldve been made a long time ago tbf as well as the Jaguar MBT. I wonder what would be a good Chinese alternative for high-tech prototype test beds.
You have enough tanks with fairy tale armour, Relikt must be what Space Marines wear it just absorbs any shots! Would love Gaijin to release their sources for this armour…Sadly i doubt they have any.
Relikt so good Russian T-90M Obr 2023 has additional armour on top of that Relikt as it cannot reliably stop as UA drone with shaped charge attached to it.
Sure add the T-14 hopefully they butcher it like they did with the CR3 TD (lack of scources and all that)
AbramsX could make an interesting premium or reward vehicle. After all its just a demonstrator. In terms of capabilities I don´t see it as an ingame analogue to T-14 (mostly because theres no indication that the crew is effectively protected vs modern 125mm APFSDS). SEPv3 is a better candidate as long as T-14 doesn´t get Vacuum (however its possible that SEPv3 front turret armor can defeat that although this is just speculation). The other alternative is to wait until M1E3 / M1A3 is unveiled however in that case we´ll have to rely on speculation to an even greater degree.
LMAO!!!
+1 you got me with this
must be secret behind MK X tacticus wear by Primaris.
Though sources on Relikt are widely avilable, even on this very thread. No source of higher authority or legitimacy overriding the data presented in the former has ever been put forward. If you have anything to substantiate your claims, please do share.
Whereas we have data and proof for NERA efficacy and they are not implemented.
K5 is already overperforming (Gaijin ignoring NATO anti era ammo)
And Relikt…well we probably have hours of footage
Of real Relikt, failing to stop an FPV drone or an ATGM, the 25mm apds from a Bradley…
While it likely is an improvement over K5 in game it’s not realistic and is overperforming as a catch all.
If anything its certain APFSDS that are underperforming vs ERA in general but thats a separate issue.
And just so you know in order to avoid strawman arguments: any ERA needs a minimum angle of impact in order to work. If an FPV strikes an ERA tile at near perfect perpendicular (90º), then it won´t provide any extra protection. However this is irrelevant ingame since we don´t have FPVs.
On the other hand, since K5 Soviet/RU designed ERA is meant to be incensitive vs medium caliber autocannon fire, then it only acts as extra steel when impacted be these. There is no evidence of a Relikt tile being “defeated” (and the base armor underneath) by medium caliber fire. Unless an IFV happens to have a lucky shot at a tank´s known weakspots, but that isn´t related to Relikt performance at all.
So no, none of these anecdotal comments (=/= sources) provide any basis to change Relikt performance ingame.
“Vacuum-1 APFSDS aprox 950mm of Pen,” yeah 2000mm pen no?:D
Its doable given the fragmentary info we have on the round. Safer estimations yield about 850mm of penetration.
We saw an M2 disable a T-90M covered in Relikt, We saw the turret controls were damage and the crew had to bail out.
If it cant stop an ATGM or FPV drone at 90 degrees why is it stopping ATGMS and darts in game at 90 degrees?
It’s not straw manning it’s a desire for balance and equality in game, currently logs offer more kinetic protection than add on NERA blocks. Sources have been provided and are flat out denied.
But sure Russian T-14 will have Bismark level armour because what Russian sources say it has.
What you saw in that incident (never known to have been repeated since) is 3 things:
Bradley destroyed T-90M optics and blinded the tank, already producing a firepower/mission kill. Such thing as disabled optics is not a mechanic ingame but IMO it should be.
Bradley hit and detonated some of the T-90M smoke grenades. Already ingame.
One or several shots slipped through the turret ring weakspot, damaging the turret controls.
This is already possible ingame
Even if this weakspot was covered by Relikt (which would get in the way of the turret rotating), the ERA wouldn´t detonate because its not meant to go off with this kind of ammunition. Hence it would only act as about 20-30mm of extra steel, hardly making any difference.
So no, nothing about this incident reveals anything that we didn´t know before nor disproves anything.
Pretty sure that incident prove the contrary. That Bradley gun its useless against T-90M… Yea it took it optics and this its one of the main concern with tank like Armata. But Only the crew of tank know what happens with the turret. That T-90 was hit by 3 FPV drone. The turret spinning was argue to be the dmg of the First FPV not the two Bradley fire… If the Bradley would have dmg the turret ring it would be stuck not spinning like it did… The 3 crew walking away of the tank after the second FPV hit the Engine bay, so that pretty much confirm that the M2 autocannon was ineffective at penetrating the T-90. Because as Western said the inside of Russian tank are really cramped. There is not way it would have penetrate the tank and don’t fatally injure the crew.
Also Relikt its difference to k5. Usually every plate of K-5 has more stopping power than one of Relikt. But Relikt can be sandwich…
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What does this have to do with the Armata?
We were disussing armour and how Russia gets peferential treatment with the efficacy of its armour systems.
It’a frustrating but thats how it is.
