Yeah, C-35 would be nice, as would other C-36 variants, especially the C-3603 as it was the most produced one (and thus the most produced Swiss designed combat aircraft ever).
Quite a bit less powerful than the C-3604 though obviously…
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This is what I want most, the ultimate evolution of the Morane
Doflug D-3803
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Nice!
Prop planes are the best planes
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I want to see the PC-7, PC-9 and the PC-21 in the game. They all can be armed and even though I can’t find pics of Swiss Pilatus trainers with weapons there is precedence of other planes getting weapons that the operator never used.
They’ve previously said the lack of a prox fuze would make any of the AIM-4s ineffective in game. Only the AIM-26s (SARH) had one, and that only equipped the F-102 in US service (and the Draken/Swiss Mirage) I believe. The Draken’s Rb.28, a Falcon IR derivative with a prox fuze (I believe) might also count.
I think you forgot a word there.
The lack of a proxy fuze shouldn’t be a problem, we have other missiles that lack proxy fuzes in the game already.
It’s the same as the early ARMs, they’ve said they won’t put them in game either because of their high failure rate, leading to players shooting them off and not knowing why they didn’t work.
PC-7’s and 9’s were armed, but only in foreign service (quite a scandal back then when Mexican PC-7 were used against insurgents, or Iraqi PC-9’s were used against Kuwait…). PC-21 so far I’ve never seen armed…
Frankly, as much as I love those aircraft (having grown up about a mile from Pilatus factories), I see no place for them in WT: Their combination of firepower (or lack thereof) and performance just won’t fit…
When did they say that about the Falcon?
Either way, as I’ve said, the lack of a proxy fuze shouldn’t be a problem, the Igla, Stinger (E and ATAS), Starstreak and HN-6 don’t have proxy fuzes either.
Quite a while ago, on the old forums I think
Igla and Stinger are much more modern missiles though. They are both faster and more manoeuvrable. Falcons are made to shoot down bombers which literally can’t manoeuvre. They are worse than the AIM-9B in every way.
We will have to see how they perform ingame. I don’t think that they will be worse than AIM-9Bs, as them being SARH already makes them a lot more useful.
I suspect that the Falcons will actually be quite strong, but even if they end up being more of a gimmick than a good weapon, I will still enjoy using them.
I love using R-3Rs, Matra R511, Fireflashes and even the AA-20 and RB 05A and I’m looking forward to seeing more early missiles in War Thunder.
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I mean, they are adding it for a single plane right not (not a premium one, I’ll give him that) lol
Personal feeling, fwiw:
GAR-1 (SARH: F-89H): sure, why not? Lack of a prox will make it compare unfavourably to the first in-game Sparrows, though, as radar homing at any-aspect needs prox more than IR tailchasers of the same vintage do
GAR-1D (SARH: F-101B, F-102): same
GAR-2 (IR: F-89H, F-101B, F-102): by all accounts worse seeker head than an AIM-9B AND no prox. Probably junk. The F-89H with 3 of these, 3 GAR-1s, and only 42 rockets, would likely be a strugglebus, essentially inferior in every way to the F-89D already in-game.*
GAR-2A (IR: F-89J): even worse performance than GAR-2 due to being externally mounted. Removed from service due to uselessness, leaving the -J model with only nuclear Genie rockets. That’s pretty useless. Basis of the better Swedish Bofors Rb.28
GAR-2B (IR: F-4C/D/E): poor performance in Vietnam is probably overstated. But if it had a prox it is estimated it would only have had the same kill rate as the Vietnam AIM-9, so it would likely be inferior in game to existing IR armament on the F-4. Same IR seeker as GAR-4A. Aka AIM-4D
GAR-3A (SARH: F-106), GAR-4A (IR: F-106), by all accounts much-improved missiles, probably at least useable… if the 106 ever made it to game. Still no prox head in US service though, so probably still inferior performance overall compared to the first post-Vietnam AIM-7/AIM-9s. Aka AIM-4F and AIM-4G, “Super Falcon”
GAR-11A (SARH: F-102), HM-55 (SARH: Swiss Mirage), Rb.27 (SARH: Draken): in game now, first prox-fuzed Falcon. Aka AIM-26. Significantly bigger than predecessors.
Rb.28 (IR: Draken): Swedish improved variant, may have had a prox fuze (?), supposedly superior to the GAR-2B/-4A
* God help the F-101B’s BR if you don’t also have its Genie nukes (and god help everyone else if it did…). F-101A/C as an F-105 style bombtruck really should be the way to get the Voodoo in game, I think, not the B-model nuclear interceptor. At least the F-102 you could give it the AIM-26 and the F-106 had a gun option.
The Rb.28 apparently also got used on the AJ 37 Viggen and the Swiss Mirage (as the HM-58)
I’ve found conflicting sources on what missile it actually was based on and wether or not it has a proximity fuze.
As I’ve said before, I don’t mind at all that the various Falcons might end up being pretty bad, I would love to use them anyways.
I couldn’t find any evidence the Swiss actually ever bought the HM-58 in any quantity, only the -55 from Hughes seems to have been used operationally on their Mirages. The Swedes built their own Rb. 28s through Bofors, which were greatly improved. But according to the source I linked above (which also has a picture of an AJ-37 with Rb. 28s), “the Rb.28 was included in the initial armament package for derivatives of the more advanced J-37 Viggen. However, usage of the Rb.28 on the Viggen apparently ended following the discovery of handling issues pertaining to carrying AAMs on the outer wing pylons, those wired for Rb.28 carriage…” The Draken F and J definitely carried it though.
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I could imagine that Switzerland considered the AIM-4C (HM-58) for their Mirages, but ultimately decided against buying them. It would be plausible that the Mirage IIIS could carry the HM-58, but probably only on the centre pylon.
The Swedish Arboga Robotmuseum also has some mentions of the JA 37 having the ability to also carry and fire Rb.27s in addition to the Rb.28. Sadly I don’t speak Swedish and the translations on the site aren’t very good lol
edit: actually, scratch that last part, trying different translation methods got me confused as heck
Nope, only HM-55S.
Can you screenshot the entire swiss tree in Germany?
If we get the PC-21
I want this skin for it
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I’ve seen these irl they are amazing