Well…keep calm, there’s no scud missile alert around here…
I’m not targeting anyone in particular here but I notice that some speakers are trying to justify the possible different “reasons” why gaijin would not equip the Super Etendard with the weaponry that it would be supposed to have.
In the end, between marketing arguments and BR balancing, we would have to be content with the in-game version and hope for a possible premium?
trying to justify the current mess on the Super Etendard is one thing, contesting it is another
Magic one is a good balance choice to keep the BR low or maybe if they add GBU 49 then 11.0 with magic 2 but I’m unsure that ground player will like to see a gps guided (pin point accuracy in game with no way to decoy it) bomb with laser guidance in the end in case it would need to be readressed
Am39… to do what? It will be either OP either useless (or kormoran missile). And not usable in standard battle
also when SEM/SuE carried those heavy missile they were no gun nor AA missile on it
Outside of all the inaccuracies and lack of some armements, I am mostly very pleased with the SuE as it is in game.
Having a 10.0 instead of 10.3 battle rating compared to the jaguar makes it a very compelling alternative in CAS ground RB, as I noticed fewer full up tiers, especially since the ground lineup is 9.7 there’s nothing above aside from top tier, so 10.3 is redundant.
The plane also carries 4 GBU12s, and if my maths are correct, 4 is better than 2, so I absolutely don’t miss the AS30L.
Magic 1s are sufficient for self defense, as should their intended use on a strike aircraft be, as magic 2 at this BR would be to much.
The ALTIS pod is good enough to be used a a subsonic air rafts at higher altitudes in daylight conditions, as it’s zoom and gimbal limits allow the plane to track the GBUS while outside the effective range of even early SACLOS Roland SAMs at the BR, but still not so potent that you can fly undisturbed.
All in all, I think the the SuE acts as a very potent but not OP strike aircrafts
Imo, we should not compare it to things like the A10 and Su25 and think that it needs a buff, but rather than the others need to be nerfed.
The A10 and Su25 are armed in a way that makes them offensively capable, which is stupid considering they are dedicated strike aircrafts, and I think some player, as well as gaining are forgetting that fact.
That, plus the bonkers flight model of the su25, surviving multiple missiles hits, or the excellent armement of the A10 makes me think that it’s not the SuE that should go down in BR or whatever, but that the other 2 need to go up.
Yes, the lack of armements can be frustrating, but their additions are gimmicky (Exocet), a threat to the balance of the vehicle (magic 2), or easily replaceable by an objectively better alternative (AS30L)
A-10 is too slow to actually “hunt fighters” or fast attackers. It can surprise people in furballs nearby and shoot in defense, but offensively in A2A role it’s very easy to deal with.
Just don’t turn with it and if you overshoot, go up using max engine power immediately or fly level on max power, dropping flares every 3-5 (depending on speed) seconds until you gain 6km separation.
A-6 and Su-25 on the other hand, they’re fast enough to be the “rate fight police” and just missile you if you get forced slow. Or attempt reversals on fighters and keep up long enough for a gun kill.
You have to make a series of colossal mistakes for an A-10 to get you. The other 2 will kill you from just 2 minor ones.
SuE, premium tiger (but the gazelle at 9.3 works as well), AMX 40 and 32 120 (the 105 is hot garbage), VBCI, Roland, and sometimes Mephisto, but for me ATGMs are unusable du to high ping
Hi, I’ve been grinding France lately and I was glad to see the Super Etendard added, but from what I see here there are actually multiple variants that could be added? I knew about the different Modernisé Standards, but after reading the whole topic I see at least 4 that could come:
-Baseline, not modernised SuE: Magic I, dumb bombs and rockets, AS-20/30? ~9.7BR
-Modernisé S3: added ATLIS + AS-30L and Magic II ~10.3 BR
-Modernisé S4: basically what we have in game, added flare pods, LGBs. Currently missing AS-30L and GBUs on the outer pylons? ~10.7 BR if it gets the Magic IIs
-Modernisé S5: Damocles pod instead of ATLIS, GBU-49 instead of GBU-12, double GBU racks? (I didn’t understand if that was a S4 or S5 thing?) ~11.0 BR
This could be very interesting, some of these could even become premiums or squadron vehicles. We need more french naval aircraft in game.
Indeed, this aircraft is a local legend and has the potential of being the best seller for france. It is sad to see how it has been treated! It is always subject for change so let’s hope the mighty snails hear your prayers.
You can ask to Pierre-Henry Ate Chuet, former super etendard pilot, his youtube channel is sponsored by gaijin actually. I am wondering why they havent asked him to be the official consultant for france.
The AS30L definitely lacks SEM of the game. In many situations it is better to have a fast self-propelled munition with a range of around 10 km than even guided bombs.
The necessary laser designation time gained is obvious and makes the destruction of ground-to-air systems, for example, more effective with this missile. I’m not just thinking about RB but there are also sim games (air or ground). Even against aircraft with a higher BR, the SEM does not deserve it. It has excellent RWR but is handicapped by this lack of guided missiles.
It could easily have a BR of 10.3 since this is the minimum BR of the AS30L currently.
This major update indeed made me change my mind. Before, the GBU were still okay even against SAMs, but the Strela now is completely bunkers. A 8km range, 20G missile that is completely unflarable (with their optical system) makes it so much harder to kill them, unless they are clueless. AS30L would be a more than welcome addition to deal with them
It is actually very simple to flare, since it has very poor performance against flares when using the longer range Optical Contrast mode. Preflaring at those ranges will completely prevent a lock. As OC requires a clean background with no ground/clouds or flares insight. To be honest, any IR SAM is defeated by preflaring.
You can easily outrange the strelas with just guided bombs, climb to 8000 or 9000 m and you’re still inmune to them, not to mention that they have more range than the as30l
Which is particularly wrong, is the turn time and acceleration.
The engine should be better than on Étendard IVM, therefore having more thrust.
The wing being the designed following the current Étendard IVM, the ability in turnfight should be slightly improved, yet Gaijin set it differently, making it worse on turn time than Etendard IVM.
→ physics are shit on War thunder ?
Or shall we get back the I-16 memes about WT physics?
I mean, the aircraft is currently another fuckin gimped French aircraft that will be fixed in 10 years,… (10 is exagerated, but last Étendard IVM took 3 years to be fixed - bug report were mines)
