3 Likes
Ok, now whe know what angle not to use when taking Su-57 photos
Which is funny because this is usually a good Su-57 angle.
Just that this one looks like it bumped its head against a metal bar :')
Still less forehead than KSI btw.
Would honestly love to see the Su-57 added too, but I think it’d play out pretty differently from what people picture. The public RCS estimates/sims (Stealthflanker’s work, APA’s assessment, the Aircraft101 sims) generally put its frontal RCS around F-35 territory only when the IRST is stowed — otherwise it opens back up. So realistically modeled, it’d be facing planes that see it before it sees them a good chunk of the time.
The bigger issue isn’t really the jet, it’s what it forces onto the rest of the tree. Russia getting Su-57 basically means NATO gets F-22/F-35 across the board, and since the US, UK, and Italy would all be flying some F-35 variant, you’d end up with a lot of F-35-mirror matches unless matchmaking gets a real overhaul. And that’s before you get into whether current map sizes (128km) and missile-spam-at-spawn top tier even survives real BVR stealth combat.
Curious how people think matchmaking would even work here — hard faction locks? Bigger maps? Or does gen-5 just need its own separate mode entirely?
1 Like
That is if you don’t consider capabilities of Su-57 avionics. Russia invested heavily into stealth detection systems, so it is not guaranteed that NATO will have an upper hand in terms of detection. Getting a first strike - probably yes, but in War Thunder reality it is meaningless because notching is quite easy to perform. On top of that Su-57 might be the only 5th generation aircraft with gimballed AESA radar which would give it better overall awareness. It also features LDIRCM turrets, and if this mechanic will remain unchanged it will make Su-57 pretty much invincible against any Fox-2 missile. Overall I can’t say that Su-57 will struggle, and it might very well be Rafale levels of overpowered (back when AESA Eurobombers and Su-30SM2 didn’t exist).
4 Likes
I think due to the prevalence of mcm and with the easiness of munition detection many people will also be running external hardpoints on their stealth fighters and treating them like planes of the previous generation with better flight characteristics(in some ways like acceleration max speed etc etc), In my opinion there’s still too many question marks like the implementation of ecm, newer gen ir missiles, longer ranged aams and better active radar seekers(?) and the aforementioned current implementation of dircm that I can’t be sure how it’ll go for any 5th gen or the future of many current jets in wt.
Stealthiness may be more desirable in the novel nuclear escalation game mode which will soon be permanently released, though. But I think su-57 in wt may have a higher chance of getting detected with firing solution earlier than other 5th gens
3 Likes
R-77M Passive seeker vs AN/APG-77.
American Mains will be in tears.
2 Likes
Oh how much I wish we got R-27P
3 Likes
Su-57 is the ballerina of the sky!
1 Like
If the modern features on 4.5 gen gets implemented then part of stealth would be mitigated. Planes using info from each other radars to find and track targets and so on, we already have aircraft (and ground units as well) in the game that should be capable of it, but I’m pretty sure it would render notching impossible and therefore is a feature on hold.
you dont need any of that to make stealth irrelevant in WT
the markers in ARB exist and are already doing that
some people play SB though
In short: the Su‑57D is an advanced modification of the basic Su‑57; it is aimed at two main tasks: first, practicing special modes that the Su‑57 has but that are impossible to simulate on training simulators; and second, controlling UAVs as an airborne command post and combat artificial intelligence? What
3 Likes
What? Everyone is playing with AI nowadays, why are you surprised?
Nothing, just triggered for a second
Terribly, meta would again move to IIR missiles as ARHM would be defeated by the aircrafts stealth characteristics in close to short range the Su-57 has DIRCM (dazzlers) and incredible manoeuvrability and R-74M?
F-22 has 9X and incredible manoeuvrability but has no dazzlers.
F-35 hasn’t a prayer excluding maybe the British one as that has ASRAAMS.
I dont see 5th Gen being a fun experience for any involved.
1 Like
Bro have you seen how much the F-35 can lift?
Anyway we will have to see how useful stealth fighters will be when added. F-22 going to be Gaijin poster boy for any stealth update my bet or its prototype or program sibling (everyone forget about Northrop YF-23).
Russians did state the Su-57 was going to be a sky ballerina so they where expecting dog fights to be a thing in 5th gen environment. Likely because in atomic war you do lose a lot of the ability to pull off BVR tactics but in warthunder I still doubt all the things stealth brings we will see the return to close range fighting as much.
Overall you get more of what we get in game so it wont be to revolutionary maybe in ground strike you can troll SAMs.
F-22 Su-57 J-20 like F-15 Su-27 Gripen trio
1 Like
Northrop YF-23 and J-35 crying in the corner with 1/10th built Japan’s stealth fighter program in parts on the floor…