They already did, mass is final, I asked about this on Dev already
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
AKU-470 97 kg
19710-2 pilot, oil engine, oxygen,air, CM, ammo gun
19710 - 250 (pilots) - 200 (rails) - 72 (gun ammo) - 50 (CM) - 30 (oil) = 19108
In the game we have 18830
(Game assumes an oil mass of 30)
This is assuming that the 19710 figure actually includes the rails
BTW, do you know if they used this document or something else?
I wonder why the Vne is off if they did …
All Flankers seems to use a 1.1 multiplier instead of 1.05 for some reason.
As for mass, seems like even if it’s off it’s not off by much … Changed the report to just Vne.
Vne multiplier in game always was 1.05-1.10, I don’t know what criteria is
Do you know of any other example with 1.1?
Seems like people always assume 1.05
For example, MiG listed 1500 kph for MiG-29SMT
In the game it gets 1575
Which is a 1.05 multiplier
So it seems quite inconsistent to use 1.1 for Flankers
19710-180(pilot)-165kg (AKU-470)-140kg(ammo gun)-80kg(CM)-30kg(oil)-5kg (C2H5OH)-2 kg (Oxygen)
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Yeah, I think I also assumed too low of a weight for gun ammo … I used projectile mass rather than the whole round
Out of curiosity what is the ethanol used for?
Probably as coolant.
I hope so
How much does Bars weigh?
Not exactly a high quality source regarding Bars but the only one I saw with weight listed
Russia’s Arms and Technologies. The XXI Century Encyclopedia. Vol. 10 - Aircraft armament and avionics - Энциклопедия Оружие и технологии России. XXI век. Том 10 - Авиационное вооружение и авионика
Ain’t this Irbis? Should weigh similarly anyways. Probably a wee bit heavier
No, the source is just old so it’s not that accurate as I mentioned …
Actually curious how Gaijin measure Empty weight. I assume it’s Specification Manufacturer’s Empty Weight which includes avionics and engines. So the difference is probably other stuff including maybe the hardpoints without the actual pylons (the one currently modeled ingame with clean config) so bbcrf number’s are close and the 278kg discrepancy is probably for extra hard points
BTW anyone experiencing their Su-30 not automatically opening their drogue chute?
No, it’s not “Empty.”!
On the example of the MiG-29B…
m (sn) _ weight of a loaded aircraft prepared for a specific mission, kg, consisting of the weight of an empty aircraft, the crew with flight equipment and ammunition for the gun, the operational equipment of the aircraft, liquids and gases consumed to ensure flight, as well as the mass of oil and unused fuel…
m (sn) is taken from Table 2.2.1
If during operation, as a result of rework or during further production, there is a change in the components of the weight of the equipped aircraft, they must be taken into account in accordance with the logbook data and the technical description of the aircraft…
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Imo the problem its not that the plane its heavy. Its that has become stupidly hard to move above match speed. Its hard to even pull 8g on that thing when moving too fast. That contradice everything about TVC or even Canards. I won’t mind the thing feel underpower/heavy. But it fly like a brick.
Bars is really heavy at 650. Irbis is around 450-500.
i dont have proof but i feel like it is missing thrust (you cant tell me they switched the fuel and made the flame burn hotter while keeping the exact same amount of thrust)
you can see it here barely loosing any altitude (if not climbing), if i were to try this in warthunder i would just fall out of the air( even with min fuel), or wouldnt be able to keep the nose stable
