Isn’t 27SK/J-11 significantly heavier than the domestic 27S? Should affect performance a little no?
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
The weight between Su-27S and SK is different. But they should be the same between SK and J-11. That means any report made with the manual should be flown against the J-11 in-game for the report. Once you can show a difference there, any change will likely affect the whole Flanker family after their internal testing
As I understand it this is how the T-10 to Su-27 manual report was done to change the whole family
Unrelated but was the N001 / N001VEP this bad in real life? I don’t have the Su-27s in game, though im close to getting them, and i just wanna know if theyre usable because im getting the sentiment that the VEP is rather subpar compared to something like the APG-63(V)1.
And if it is that bad i hope someone finds a document saying that the N001VEP+Pero was incorporated into the SM3 or something to make it slightly better
Yes. They are generationally behind the APG-63(and V1) for a couple of reasons stemming from microprocessor innovation to espionage causing them to have to basically remake a generation.
N001/N019 still uses a cassegrain antenna compared to the planar arrays that make up the best radars prior to PESA/AESA. You can really see where this hurts it when you compare the vertical ACM speed and the scan pattern selection in-game.
The roughly equivalent radars are found on the MiG-29SMT and Yak-141 in-game. They would have been on the MiG-29M and Su-27M, if they had made it into service.
Yes the APG-63 is better, but the gap between them is not such that it makes the N001/N019 unusable. It still has good tracking and most importantly a good scan pattern that mixes height and width. Before the “double scan bug” it was a bit lacking unless you used manual tilt to put either the top or bottom line right on target (which actually made the radar faster than it is currently) but now it is perfectly adequate, just not best in class.
They might as well just change the SM into the SM3 at this point. All it’s missing from it is the radar as I understand it. Either folder SM3 underneath and revert the SM changes or make it a tier 4 mod, instead of this frankenplane.
Doesnt the sm3 have 1 more pylon to house AAMs like the Su-33 or am I just tweaking. I believe i read that from the sm3 suggestion
Looks like I got that backwards. SM3 should have the extra wing pylon. Only Su-35 should have the dual R-77 underbelly. But that only furthers how much of a frankenplane the current SM is.
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The SM3 doesnt have the VEP+Pero right?(hoping im wrong)
No, but I heard it gets the extra inner wing hard points from most modern flankers
If we assume the figures here are correct, the empty weight stands out to be incorrect in the game.
In the game it’s 18830 + 30kg (oil)
Also wing rip limit should be 1400 * 1.05 = 1470 instead of the current 1540
Does “Снаряжённого” mean empty?
Also 1540 seems to be a 10% increase. Ain’t there a 15% increase on most aircraft limits in game?
Someone Russian has to chime in but from what I can make of it, it essentially says “equipped weight” or “curb weight”
Not sure if it includes the missiles and pilots (or just the fluids), but I doubt it
Normal fuel weight is 5120
And normal takeoff weight is 26090
19710 + 5120 = 24830
So it doesn’t seem to include the missiles and pilots
2x R-73 + 2x R-27ER = 910
26090 - 19710 - 5120 - 910 = 350
Which is a reasonable figure for missile rails and pilots.
Apparently it’s 5% for other aircrafts
10% for the Flankers currently (not sure why)
Bug report:
Su-30SM incorrect rip speed:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/HX5dwrMfSCFJ
Oh boy, thats great, the thing already fall from the sky due to any small maneuver because it is heavy and the engines are weak, now it will get even heavier, well, back to my su27sm if I want to have a “ok” fm for duels
(Im not attacking you or smt like that, this is just frustration)
Well, it’s a massive twin seater … So not much can be done about it (That is, if Gaijin even accepts the report)
But you can pull some crazy stuff off with TVC + HMS + R-73 …
It would work even better if they fixed the R-73 and made it not wobble like crazy (I almost shot down myself once)
Plus, if they buff the scan area it should get even better in BVR
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Yeah thats true. I appreciate your effort in making the bug reports, it’s just not much fun having to face ufos in other nations in (guns only) duels, for air rb the plane will still be good
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Launchers alone would be 218 kg, 132 kg for two pilots and their equipment is too low. As well you don’t count gun ammo, countermeasures, unwasted fuel and pylons. 19710 kg isn’t absolute empty mass devs use. But I’m not exactly sure how empty in game empty mass is.
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Feel free to comment in the report.
I’m sure they will do their own math … They aren’t gonna just take my word and put it into the files …
I just did some napkin math to illustrate the fact.