Because BRs are too packed and it would be hillariously OP in 13.0 bracket as of now. There are like 2 planes capable of dealing with it without significant issues. Maybe 3 if we count Belgian F-16A with 9Ms.
But only 1 out of three (F15A, Gripen, F-16A belgian) is always against it. The remaining two are often on side of flanker.
I dont really count harrier with fox 3s as its pretty damn slow platform for effective employment of them.
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
2 Likes
I mean, in Sim I find the Harrier super OP at 13.0. FA2 is pretty much the only plane I do well in (don’t have the AV8B+ yet). And there’s the KWS as well now for AMRAAM spam.
And the Yak141, while it only has 4 missiles, is at 12.7 with a significantly better radar and RWR.
I dunno, I really don’t think the base Su-27 would be that much of an issue compared to the other 13.0 planes.
Forgot about that one but its always on side of flanker.
With the Su-27fm buffs is its turn rate accurate now? had a Su-27sm just snap round at high speed and missile me. Now previously you knew the Gripen would have the edge.
Probably not but it’s a lot better
I mean is better or worse than it should be
We don’t have graphs for su-27 with m1 engine
So Gaijin just buffed on what they feel it should be?
No, they just used the charts for the Su-27S, made the Su-27S flight model and then increased mass by 400kg and gave it the new thrust curve for the new engines. It’s the best way to make the SM (or any plane for that matter) outside of getting charts for it, which is often not possible.
1 Like
No other nation gets that though. The Su-27SM in game has the engines from the Su-27SM2 and the dual pylons from the Su-27SM3…
It has the Su-27SM engines, the SM2 isn’t a real plane.
I thought the SM1 had the new engines the SM didn’t? That makes no sense when they added it to the game originally
The dual pylons are purely fictional, they are not even the ones from the SM3. The latest produced Su-27SM got the upgraded engines even irl instead, just like the latest F-15E got the 229s. Also Rafael kinda got the same treatment missiles wise.
Also, I hate this type of arguments, but if you think that USSR/Russia has gotten the most favouritism in the last year regarding top tier aircraft I don’t know what to say. From the broken FM to the aircraft chosen to get added themselves it was a pretty rough year (especially last 6 months) for the soviet tech tree.
The MiG-29SMT was modelled the same exact way the 27SM is right now, but I don’t think you have anything to complain about it.
8 Likes
Like a lot of planes, there’s often small differences depending on the production batch.
Early batch SM’s retained the old AL-31F’s, later SM batches upgraded to the AL-31F-M1.
No, we all have to provide painstaking evidence, Gaijin are well aware all of this is classified. Take the CAPTUR-M Radar should be the best mechanical Radar in the game. we cannot find data on scan speed so its a copy of the Blue Vixen from the 1980s!
I don’t disagree with the common sense approach but it has to be extended across the board.
Why didn’t Gaijin give the Swedish Gripen the new Radar, additional hardpoints and the improved engine?
Yes Russia have a had rough time for a few months now, prior to that they dominated R-27ER is still a threat at top tier.
The problem now is to me the Flanker is overperforming it doesn’t lose energy like a large aircraft should it turns and hardly bleeds speed.
So we needs a Su-27Sm early and late ;)
The Gripens have been in a very good spot for a while now, even after the new 14.0’s.
It follows the G charts and it overperforms only at supersonic speeds, which was already reported but gaijin doesn’t want to touch the thrust and drag.
3 Likes
nah they are struggling now, especially the British ones they don’t retain energy they are underpowered and they carry far fewer missiles.
The Rafale is a far better rat fighter, the Typhoon and F-15E dominate BVR and the Su-27s come from nowhere wipe out 4 players with their ridiculous payloads.
More the problem of needing more BR’s than 14.0.
But as 13.7’s, the Gripens are great.
Gripens can easily handle the Su-27’s.