Why would you want to, the Grom-2’s are better in every way to the FAB-500’s.
For people stock grind, FAB-500 UMPK might be a tier 1 or 2 modification, while the Grom-2 could remain a tier 3 or possibly be moved to tier 4.
Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection
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ooooh good point.
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I’m actually kinda excited for the fab 3000 lol
I’ve seen it on some videos. Some people think it may just be temporary. I hope not.
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In ARB, it won’t have as strong of a use-case, but in GRB, with the new target designation mechanics, it will be good for targeting spawns where SPAA hangout, and if needed, good for clearing caps where there’s one cap or one cap per team.
It will probably be very interceptable, I’m interested to see what kind of mechanics can be used to drop it from high up, and how it will coast to the target.
The FAB-500T-UMPK’s seem to be TV guided, if so, that’s a big deal too.
That’d be nice, i love the su-24
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I tested it on DEV server and I was able to 1 shot a base on Golan Heights (Airspawn).
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Im more interested in its impact on sim air.
My real concern is, is this one of those things that u just chuck at the spawn from 15km out and will just kill all the SPAAs and there is not much they can do about u. (GRB) KH38 is already broken, having another thing will just make it a bit of a nightmare.
Im sorry are you trying to say that cutting edge fighters cant do what fighters were doing 70 years ago?
Thats a valid concern, though the thing is slow and easy to see/kill.
This issue could also be rectified by gaijin not shrinking every dang ground map we have in-game to accommodate the drug induced children that now make up most of top tier trying to 360 no scope with their premium tanks bought using their little sisters chemo money in a 500x500m map because they cant stand the idea of being alone with their thoughts. If maps were large enough for SPAA to actually leave spawn and not immediately get shot, they might do it more often… A lot of my old SAM sites are now out of bound or have been reworked not to exist anymore after continuous map size reductions by gaijin to placate the community.
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GRB needs to be reworked asap
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I agree, SAMs are also subject to being outranged by KH38 as well which leads to huge issues as FAB3000 will allow the spawn to be cleared and then the advantage of range could be further stressed. I am sort of grumpy about GRB RN cause I play CN, which has no capable CAS and also will get supressed by AMRAAMs if I so want to go CAP, against F15Es it is not gonna end well. Similar positions for SU34 so there is somewhat of a balance, but after all, a lot more decompression needed.
On a completely unrelated note, anyone else seen the new SU57 2D TVC?
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The Lightning could only do 1 or 1.1 mach outside of arctic conditions according to the chart and not efficiently. The Typhoons engine is not well suited for supercruise by design, the M88 is slightly better, F119 is the best suited of non-variable bypass designs.
Not sure why you’re bringing that up here though, the first sukhoi with supercruise was Su-35 with the variable bypass AL-41. They are a generation ahead of Europe on engine design.
Su-35S moment
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Still could 70 years ago, you’re doing some serious mental gymnastics to claim fighters now can’t do the same at bare minimum
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There are no mental gymnastics needed, the J-10 for example is better suited than tailed aircraft like Su-27 for supersonic flight as they have less wave drag. They are incapable of supercruise because the bypass ratio is large, closer to ~0.6. The engine cannot create sufficient dry thrust or exhaust velocity to accelerate the aircraft to supersonic speeds.
The English electric lightning has no bypass, it is a conventional turbojet. Exhaust velocity is not slowed by the un-ignited bypass air entering the exhaust stream. No additional thrust is needed to accelerate the exhaust stream to supersonic speeds.
The eurofighters EJ200 is higher bypass ratio than F119, RM12, M88, and the pressure ratio is not similarly increased to account for this. Thus, exhaust velocity is reduced and it will obviously have worse supercruise performance by comparison.
The AL-41 improved the performance of the Su-27 series engines by introducing a variable bypass ratio, improving pressure ratios, temperature limits, overall thrust and performance. The Americans have the F135 which is variable bypass but is a generation ahead in materials technology and design. China is behind with the WS-15 having no variable bypass ratio. To achieve supercruise with the J-20 it requires a 0.25 bypass ratio. This is because China does not have the engine technology needed to handle higher pressure ratios.
None of this is some random opinion, it is extremely well supported by the available evidence. Quit crying about stuff you don’t understand.
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Hey, @BBCRF, you said you were a Dev on the Su-30SM mod right?
Can you tell me if any of the later Flanker models get more countermeasures? Specifically Su-30M derivates, since those are my favorites.
Thanks!
The flankers in DCS have double the CMs, but it’s wrong