Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35/37 Flanker series & Su-34 Fullback - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

Oswald efficiency is the energy efficiency of the aircraft. It will be better at holding energy.

The Russians assumptions on the performance of the F-15 mean absolutely nothing. The F-15 sustained turn rate is available publicly from the TO 1F-15A, 1986.

Currently the F-15 at speeds > 0.4 mach has sustained turn rate in-line with the manual. Below 0.4 mach it is underperforming as per my bug report. The Su-27 was already performing very closely to the sustained turn rate charts and as such the bug report for that aircraft was closed.

Stop sharing misinformation based on assumptions the soviets made about a plane they didn’t operate.

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Actually use Oswald efficiency complete crap, it gives a large margin of error and inaccuracy there is a more simplified formula

I gave above an extract with the F-15 overload schedule, it shows that “The Russians assumptions” are correct.
So calm down already.
The F-15 has never outperformed the Su-27 at speeds below 1100 km/h. And there can be no talk of any competition at speeds >0.4M

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He didn’t compare, he said that F15 FM >0.4 mach is wrong tho.

No, less than 0.4 mach is incorrect… should be a bit better. Above 0.4 mach it coincides with the manual.

I’d need to look side by side at the charts but there is no reason to use a secondary source for the F-15 when a primary is available. Stop using Russian charts for American planes when the American charts are easily accessible.

pretty sure the F-15 graph is just a different looking scan of the F-15A manual
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but its important to note this graph is for an F-15A at 60% internal fuel while the Su-27’s is for ~27% fuel + 2 R-73 and 2 R-27R

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Su-27 is for 50% fuel + missiles
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50% of normal 5.5t fuel refueling

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launched too early + locked on a flare

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Speed on the russian graph is true airspeed, equivalent airspeed…?

The Su-27 schedule…Posted above-DeltaSBW…

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1…0.4M=489.8 km/h
2…250 knots=463 km/h
3…200 knots=370.4 km/h

Su-27=50% fuel+2_R-27 (between engines)+2_R-73 (on the wingtips)…

According to this graph, at an altitude of 200 meters (steady turn) …
the Su-27 should have …
1…200 knots-16.5 degrees per second …
2…250 knots-18.5 degrees per second…

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Yes!..this is the true speed…

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Who is interested in comparing it themselves…Graphs of F-15A…
1.Clean…
2.With pylons…
3.4_AIM-7+4_AIM-9…

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That’s not even the point of what I said… read again

It’s 50% of normal fuel load not 50% of maximum fuel

you said the missile followed the wrong path off the rail and would have hit the jet otherwise
that’s wrong, had the missile been launched slightly later and not locked on/gotten fooled by flares, it would have turned harder off the rail and probably could have hit the jet

Is there any quote on the document saying that? To me it looks like it is equivalent airspeed.

This is 50%(half)refueling of fuel in internal tanks…

Velocity is indicated airspeed