That’s not the claim I was questioning. That it is difficult to do ANY air-to-air in such a scenario is obvious.
The CLAIM was that not a single Russian aircraft has been shot down by a Ukrainian aircraft. Which, given the numbers and timings involved - is rather unlikely.
Is it this claim? Though I find the F-35 Su-35 1v1 claim a bit iffy though since it will never happen in real life.
Pretty much. VKS includes helicopters also.
Hmmm I have yet to hear about aircraft downing helicopters since the start of the war, only one I remember being an Su-35 shooting down an Mi-8.
Not like Ukrainian F-16 crahsed trying to kill a drone, right?
Would you be flinging AMRAAMS at a drone as opposed to using AIM-9s or cannon?
Yet AMRAAMS and similar Western AAMs are being used…
Considering how many drones and missiles are hitting Ukraine right now… I’d say that if they aren’t firing them it is one very stupid decision
No? SPAAGs are often the best choice for countering drones. SAMs are best for countering missiles.
You CAN use a fighter to try and chase a UAV - but it’s a massive waste. The Ukrainians have shown that they are quite pragmatic as to how they use their limited resources.
So that’s why Kyiv is facing 4 hours of electricity per day this winter, pragmatism. Numbers aren’t numbering man
Without getting this thread into de-rail city.
You might find that the ‘explosive things travelling and causing chaos’ is a 2-way street. After all, I don’t see Russian aircraft having much luck in tackling drones coming the other way either…
Air-to-Air vs. cheap UAVS isn’t the way to do it.
And yet missiles are being fired, just as you said…
For the sake of justice, they have very advanced interceptor drones, combined with the very scattered use of geraniums, I’m not surprised that they’ve shot down almost everything before
Well we come back to the original claim. Out of the 1000s of AAMs fired - not a SINGLE one has brought down a single VKS aircraft over 4.5 years of fighting?
Really? Seriously?
Are all of them shot at airplanes? I think many of them are against drones as well
Not all of them at planes. Not all of them at drones. Still, it’s a hell of a claim to make.
In effect - they are saying that the VKS air-to-air K/D Ratio is the best of any air force since the invention of the aeroplane.
At the beginning of the special operation, we were very burned by underestimating the enemy, and aviation actually dropped out from the beginning of the war and came to life only with the appearance of these babies
It’s always the Brits man, always.
Come and say some bullshit and go
So - someone makes outlandish claims such as ‘F-35 will lose to Su-35’ or ‘not a single VKS aircraft lost to enemy aircraft in 4.5 years of fighting’.
Questioning that is BS? Might be in Russia - but we’re allowed to ask questions here. =)
Here is your problem.
Not 1v1 fight, multi role combat missions.
So explain how a 4th gen can sneak up on a 5th gen? Despite the latter being able to see the former before the other way round?
