Erm… you want to rephrase that?
No I dont please provide one instance in which aircarft was downed by another aircraft?
Right - so you are effectively saying that the VKS has not lost a SINGLE aircraft to an opposing aircraft in nearly five years of war…
That is exactly right. Unless you count Patriot ambushes, S-300, Buk, manpads as aircraft.
There’s been a confirmation of an F-16 shooting down an Su-35 over Ukraine, source is USA though, not Ukraine. A few months after Ukraine and Russia said an Su-35 was shot down over Ukr
That is a flawed misrepresntation during a senat hearing. Shot down by patriot battery well hidden close to Kharkiv. Plane entered a 60km radius of PAC-3 launcher.
If that’s the case I’ll need to hear it again which I’ll do when I’m free
If you really believe that then I don’t think there is a single line of logic, common sense or description of reality I can use to change your mind…
Enjoy.
So far, I am certain in that aspect I am right.
So far I have not heard any claims of air to air kills against fixed wing aircraft from Ukraine other than the F-16 AA battery ambush, if you know of any sources or claims I don’t mind you showing me some 0.0 I may have forgotten as well
I think there was one claim of 120 dl from awacs about a year ago that’s another one I rmb
so you dont have any proof otherwise?
Claims from either side are alas - claims. Likely to be inflated.
However - we have evidence of 380 Russian aircraft being downed.
List Of Aircraft Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Oryx
We also have Western stocks of air-to-air missiles (AMRAAM for example) being supplied along with significant resupply of Soviet era AAMs from Eastern Europe (Polish AAMs alongside their MiG-29s for example). Why do you need restocks of AAMs unless you are firing them? What would you be firing at - given that drones are often very poor targets for them? What are chances of the Ukrainian pilots having a 0% hit rate over four years of war?
FACT-CHECK: Did a Ukrainian F-16 Shoot Down a Russian Su-34 Fighter Bomber?
I don’t deny Russia losing a lot of aircraft to enemy ground emplacements, drones and accidents, it’s just that due to disparity in avionics and aircraft, its a bit difficult for Ukraine’s air force on shooting down opposing enemy aircraft.
That’s not the claim I was questioning. That it is difficult to do ANY air-to-air in such a scenario is obvious.
The CLAIM was that not a single Russian aircraft has been shot down by a Ukrainian aircraft. Which, given the numbers and timings involved - is rather unlikely.
Is it this claim? Though I find the F-35 Su-35 1v1 claim a bit iffy though since it will never happen in real life.
Pretty much. VKS includes helicopters also.
Hmmm I have yet to hear about aircraft downing helicopters since the start of the war, only one I remember being an Su-35 shooting down an Mi-8.
Not like Ukrainian F-16 crahsed trying to kill a drone, right?
Would you be flinging AMRAAMS at a drone as opposed to using AIM-9s or cannon?
Yet AMRAAMS and similar Western AAMs are being used…
Considering how many drones and missiles are hitting Ukraine right now… I’d say that if they aren’t firing them it is one very stupid decision