Very poorly, most likely.
Interesting. Although it’s a bit weird to use an actual radar for IFF.
Ngl, i prefer more natural lines on a camo, rather than a digital squares. Or one-two tone liveries with some airframe elements of separate colour like on navy Su-30s.
Anything which doesn’t looks like it’s straight from scrapyard, which is most of the su30 skins rn
Su-34 two-tone livery is even more disasterous than Su-30 one.
This why NIIP say but the source for f22 radar is the worst of all time
It is interesting to compare the “duel” capabilities of the Su-27SM2 (Su-35) and F-22A “Sukhoy” aircraft complexes, equipped with “Irbis”, can detect a target with an EPR of 0.1-0.5 m2 (approximately in this interval lies the value of the effective radar scattering surface of the inconspicuous Lockheed Martin F/A-22A aircraft) at a distance of 165-240 km. At the same time, the American fighter “sees” its enemy with an EPR of 1 m2 at a distance of only 200 km (Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft 2005-2006). Thus, the inconspicuous “Raptor” with its AFAR in terms of the on-board radar complex has no real advantages over the modernized “Sukhi” in missile air combat at an “non-visual” range.
are you really using Janes as a source? and even then it falls right on the average of the claims for the russian source
additionally the RCS of Su27 or Su35 are much larger than the 1 square meter target while there are claims that the f22 RCS is smaller than that assumed range,
so trusting both your sources f22 will likely have ~90%+ chance of spotting the SU at 200km while for the same certainty the SU will have to be at 165km or less
This is not Jane’s it’s from niip old library
https://web.archive.org/web/20081003214650/http://www.niip.ru/main.php?page=library_sky18
I’m saying niip sources Jane’s for figures on f22, I’m not using Jane’s itself. I’m using niip
Not really, a radar is basically a big transiver and receiver so it can sent the iff interrogation and receive the response
They technically could be integrated into the RWR as well since it can receive radar signals
oh, still that pretty much makes the comparison invalid to the point where I dont know if id trust other NIIP sources on similar topics
I mean niip press material I would assume they would have to use public source for foreign aircraft. They’re literally thr maker of the radio electronics on Russian planes, they’re primary level source. For their material on foreign aircraft it’s not a proper source which is why I only use their foreign material as comparison and not 100 fact
yes but I wouldnt trust their comparisons to foreign equipment because they clearly do not use proper sources for said equipment
You can’t take any public rcs value for the f22 seriously especially since there is a CIA doc out there saying that they put out alot of bs numbers for the f22 so that Noone publicly can be sure which one is the correct one
Yeah ik. That’s why I’m just doing general comparisons using their material as seen in the f22 thread. For example their material states su35 would detect f22 at 240ish km while using the values from the f22 thread I calculated it to be around 29km
It is of no substantial value, but i saw Su-35 pilot talk, he was deployed in Syria. If his words are to be believed he had no problems detecting Israeli F-35 from “normal distance” and he didn’t even realised that those were F-35 until after mission briefing. And according to mission legend those F-35 weren’t using reflectors as well. But ofc it’s just a talk, take it however you like.
And there is also this image right here:
Ask any fighter pilot what plane is the best in the world and the answer will inevitably be ‘whichever plane I’m in.’
Pilot talk is useful and all - but they are human beings like the rest of us.
unless it is a F-18 pilot that flew the F-14 before the F-18 ^^
Maybe. You’d still struggle to find ANY pilot that would happily admit ‘yep, actually my plane is a bit crap.’
It’s something of an unspoken rule in my experience. Kind of like car-people on that front.
didnt really saw a soviet/ russian pilot do it yet tho
simply bc they dont really do interviews
but F-16 pilots say the F-16 is the best,
F-15 pilots say the F-15 is the best and so on
Not bad.
Not what it should be… But it’s passable.
