Not what I asked 😂
Edit: I meant against which targets and which combat conditions
he asked what the sparrows were launched against
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then MiG-29, MiG-23, MiG-21, some other stuff
idk the exact combat conditions for every engagement
Mig25 too.
f-15s vs mig-25s and mig-29bs isn’t exactly fair lol
it was Su-27 on MiG-29B in Africa too though no?
We then can’t draw conclusions in terms of combat effectiveness between missiles. It’d be a statistical fallacy
Too bad, IRL couldnt be fair at all…
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yeah. and the su-27 did not have a single loss, although I don’t remember if the r73 or r27 got more kills
yeah ik, but its still 4th gen air superiority vs. worse platforms. so in that aspect F-15’s w/ 7M in Iraq and Su-27 w/ 27ER in Africa is pretty comparable
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why not?
No real situational parallel, no control group. It’d be like flexing a K/D that you got by just killing bots
not really. what control group could there be, we’re going off of real world performance in a fairly similar situation which is about as good as it gets, unless you have your own fighter jets and your own airspace and your own missile stocks to test it with
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You sure you arent thinking about the non-monopulse 7F?
You just answered your own question :) Statistics is a beautiful discipline!
was the 7F hit rate that bad?
if you have nothing better than the real world hit rate, thats all i needed to know.
its good enough to at least question how effective the 27ER seeker should be
The reason the 7F got a bigger warhead over the 7E’s was that the seekers werent able to reliably put the missile within kill distance of targets. It could get them somewhere in the same postal code, but that was about it.
The UK and Italy’s response to that was to give the 7E’s a monopulse seeker, resulting in the Skyflash and Aspide, while the US’ response was to give it a bigger warhead. The bigger warhead doesnt really seem to have worked out for them though, so they ended up giving in and putting a monopulse seeker into the 7F to make the 7M iirc.
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All you need to know is that real world hit rate is not a statistically valid comparison, and therefore irrelevant