Kinzhal is wide not long like this
How do you know there is no DL symbology if you dont know what the DL symbology is in the first place?
Russia most DEFINITLY operates AWACS, theyre the only nation to have ever lost AWACS in combat, and they’ve lost like 3 now in Ukraine iirc. AWACS also arent the only source of datalink, any other aircraft witb a radar and datalink capability, or any ground based radar for SAM’s with datalink capabilities could be providing datalink info if thats whats happening. The war is saturated with how power radars for GBAD so its not exactly surprising if thats whats providing the track info.
Ground based Radars, S-400 systems can and have provided DL
One of the reasons why the other sides SAMs were so effective they could use older S-300 Radars to provide DL to Patriot systems. Keeping the Patriots location hidden
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The issue with low flying far away targets is the earth’s curveture
It is rather the other way around apparently the DL of a Su-35 was used before to guide a S-400 before
As they can look over the horizon by flying high
I never said that they dont
I said that they don’t REALLY use AWACS as they simply aren’t known for wide spread use of AWACS
And where would those aircraft be?
In front of the su35 in even more contested airspace the the su35 is already in?
Or rather behind it even further away?
Probably the latter.
No because the targets seem to be flying low and a ground radar will struggle with picking up a target behind the earth’s curveture.
At that point they could have just used a S400 missile to fire at the target as it would probably less risky than sending a pilot and a jet which could be shot down
Especially since the cost of a S-400 missile is estimated to cost 0.5 to 1 million dollars
Turkey and India deals
Turkey purchased S-400 batteries from Russia for $2.5 billion, which included approximately 144 missiles. On average, this makes the cost of one missile around $17.36 million, but this also includes launchers, radar, and other equipment. Experts believe that the actual cost per missile is between $0.5 million and 1 million
Ever heard of Occam’s razor?
Most of the time the simpler awnser is the correct one
Longest range kill was by a f14 using pheonix afaik
Then comes r37m at 177
Pl15e max range range is 145km, I don’t know how it’s longest range kill
what is the source for the longest range kill ? there are no footage with the launch range in it ?. so it could be anything starting from 100.
Not quite, the low flying aircraft need to pop up before an attack and thats when they are detected the S-400, A-50 systems then pass that data on to a VVS asset and the target is engaged.
The Su-35/MIG 31 Radar is not good enough to detect aircraft 300km away when they are flying low.
Most of the shoot downs have been after the strike has been carried out. We had MiG 29 shot down after a HAMMER strike.
I wouldnt be so quick to discount the Russian ground based Radar systems.
We alwere talking about a specific situation
In which a high flying su35 engages low flying planes 160km away
Iam not doing that, iam just saying that in the specific situation discussed the possibility of ground radars picking those planes up is pretty low, due to my point above
at 0:58 you can see a su30sm launching two r-27s at the same time
would be cool if we could find some more info about this and have it added in to the game
what about the N001VEP on the su27sm tho?
Could be possible irl, but I don’t think that there is any source for it
Iam only sure that the bars might be able to do it and there are sources for the Irbis
But for the N001VEP I can’t tell
At same target?
no, different targets
Russia likely plans to deliver equipment for 12 Su-57 and 14 Su-34 jets to Algeria, 48 Su-35 to Iran, and 6 Su-35 to Ethiopia.
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It was standard practice to fire two missiles at certain targets to increase the % kill chance, but we are also aware of the fact that they can lock and fire on multiple targets at the same time with R-27R depending on the aircraft and radar set.
Give Airburst Warhead pliz. All the video of that thing working its just Chef Kiss
Sure but a radar 200km ahead of the launch aircraft, particularly ones like the mast mounted 76N6 “Clam Shell” radar do account for that for example. The point being a radar that is both closer and within view of the target is almost always available in the current conflict.
Yes, DL works boths ways, nobody is saying it doesnt.
You dont lose 2 (i checked, its 2 in action) AWACS by not “REALLY” using them. Russia most definitely uses AWACS, and it uses them heavily in the current conflict.
There’s aircraft all over the place in the conflict. Su-34’s doing bombing runs closer to the frontlines could provide datalink track data for example. Just because an aircraft launched a missile, doesn’t mean it was the closest, just means it had the highest pK% of currently available launch options.
They are not “all” flying low, nor are they flying low for their whole flight.
Jets arent “sent” like in old interceptor situations back in the 1980’s or in times of peace, they have jets running patrols over predetermined areas and get tasked to targets of opportunity. The Su-35 taking the shot was likely the best option available within the battlespace at the time.
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yeah this thing
Spoiler
It wasn’t
Was the longest publicly known air to air missile kill in combat until recently, when during the India/Pakistan skirmishes, a Rafale was shot down by a PL-15E with both sides agreeing the shot was made from over 200km (Pakistan claims ~200km, India claims ~230km iirc)
This may blow your mind, but the public numbers for missiles that are currently in service, particularly rather new ones like the PL-15E, tend to be lies so as to not give your opponents info on your true capabilities. Apparently this is a pretty hard concept for people to grasp though, and they genuinely take everything posted publicly as hard facts instead of the very loose approximations that these numbers ACTUALLY represent…
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India does not officially claim any Rafale was shot down. I think there’s a CNN article of a US intelligence official that may have commented on it in confidence, but that’s the only thing I’ve seen.
Officially according to Dassault, the Rafale didn’t get shot down and had an incident in flight.
This isn’t to say that I claim or believe no Rafales were shot down, but it is important to state there is no official claim acknowledging the shoot down. Only some acknowledgements that some jets were shot down as far as I’ve seen from their end (India).